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Sneak Peak: Sigma 70-200 OS versus Tamron 70-200 VC (Samples...wow)

 
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Aug 03, 2013 08:32 |  #31

Thanks. Looking forward to the rest of your conclusions.




  
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Aug 03, 2013 11:42 |  #32

Interesting test.
Would it be possible to redo the tests with the same framing? I.E. : the Tamron at 200mm and the Sigma at 175/180mm?
I think it would be a fairer comparison.
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Aug 03, 2013 12:14 |  #33

Rush87 wrote in post #16177960 (external link)
Interesting test.
Would it be possible to redo the tests with the same framing? I.E. : the Tamron at 200mm and the Sigma at 175/180mm?
I think it would be a fairer comparison.
Thanks.

No. I might have been off a few inches, I stood while I took this so maybe I stood a few inches forward and back. Adjusting the framing by zoom alters the testing, these lenses get sharper the further they move down away from 200mm. They are sharpest at 70mm.

When I do the test I will do samples at 70mm, 135mm, and 200mm. I will do two scenes, I will also do a stabilization test and a servo performance. I will also do AF accuracy assumptions based on real world usage. I know my sigma in single shot was very accurate maybe 90% so I need a week or two with the tamron to determine how well it lands on target in real world tests.


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Aug 03, 2013 22:39 |  #34

I just realized that this test may not be 100% accurate. I forgot that my sigma lens had no UV filter while I had already installed my Hoya HD uv filter on the Tamron. So the samples I posted the tamron has a filter while the sigma does not.

I'm not sure if this affects anything but I will be sure to have both with no filters when I do my review.


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Aug 03, 2013 22:55 |  #35
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Talley wrote in post #16179202 (external link)
I just realized that this test may not be 100% accurate. I forgot that my sigma lens had no UV filter while I had already installed my Hoya HD uv filter on the Tamron. So the samples I posted the tamron has a filter while the sigma does not.

I'm not sure if this affects anything but I will be sure to have both with no filters when I do my review.

...which means the Tamron is potentially even better then.


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Aug 03, 2013 23:52 |  #36

kin2son wrote in post #16179235 (external link)
...which means the Tamron is potentially even better then.

My thought as well.




  
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Aug 04, 2013 00:27 |  #37

Assuming they were focused carefully (10x liveview best of 6 attempts) and typical copies of each man that Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS really isn't at all, not at all, what same say and the Tamron seems to be everything some have claimed. I believe the Tamron AF is still pretty slow for sports though compared to the Canon ones? So I guess you Tamron to save $$ if you actually don't need top AF at this range and speed or Canon if you do.




  
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Aug 04, 2013 00:29 |  #38

kin2son wrote in post #16179235 (external link)
...which means the Tamron is potentially even better then.

hah :lol:




  
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Aug 04, 2013 05:54 |  #39

wombatHorror wrote in post #16179347 (external link)
Assuming they were focused carefully (10x liveview best of 6 attempts) and typical copies of each man that Sigma 70-200 2.8 OS really isn't at all, not at all, what same say and the Tamron seems to be everything some have claimed. I believe the Tamron AF is still pretty slow for sports though compared to the Canon ones? So I guess you Tamron to save $$ if you actually don't need top AF at this range and speed or Canon if you do.

Emphasis mine.

I believe Tamron has stepped up their game with the 70-200 2.8 VC. The older lenses had AF speed issues. I don't think that is the case with this lens. Testing will show the details.




  
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Aug 04, 2013 07:04 |  #40

Tommy1957 wrote in post #16179658 (external link)
Emphasis mine.

I believe Tamron has stepped up their game with the 70-200 2.8 VC. The older lenses had AF speed issues. I don't think that is the case with this lens. Testing will show the details.

I don't know how much the new Tamron is priced at.
If the difference between it and the 70-200 IS II is more than $600 , I think the Tamron is a great deal for most amateurs who don't shoot sports extensively. If it's less than say $500, I think the IS II is a better deal especially if you consider the resale value.

I bought the IS II only because at the time all the other stabilized 70-200 f/2.8 lens are far away from the IS II PQ. Had the new Tamron come out then, I might have bought it instead. Even the previous generation Tamron 70-200 PQ is pretty awesome to me plus I bought it for only $400. IMHO for people on a budget who need a telephoto lens primarily for portraits, if you can find the old Tamron for $500 or less, it'll be really hard to top it. Its AF on the other hand is comparable to the Canon 50mm f/1.8 though, meaning slow and noisy.


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Aug 04, 2013 07:18 |  #41

The new Tamron retails for about $1500. You are most certainly confused about Tamron's models of the 70-200. Check out some reviews of the Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 VC. The VC part is key. All the reviews I saw specifically say the AF is fast and accurate. It gets dinged regularly for quirky VC, and IQ at 200mm, but the AF is quite well regarded. You may be confusing it with older version which did have the slower non-USD AF system.

Two facts remain. The Canon II is the king of 70-200 lenses. I am happy with my Sigma OS at 1/3 the price of the Canon II.




  
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Aug 04, 2013 07:26 |  #42

Tommy1957 wrote in post #16179755 (external link)
The new Tamron retails for about $1500. You are most certainly confused about Tamron's models of the 70-200. Check out some reviews of the Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 VC. The VC part is key. All the reviews I saw specifically say the AF is fast and accurate. It gets dinged regularly for quirky VC, and IQ at 200mm, but the AF is quite well regarded. You may be confusing it with older version which did have the slower non-USD AF system.

Two facts remain. The Canon II is the king of 70-200 lenses. I am happy with my Sigma OS at 1/3 the price of the Canon II.

Actually I was referring to the non-VC Tamron 70-200 when I mentioned the slow and noisy AF. :-)

Yes, I agree with you. All of the 70-200 f/2.8 lens in real life are good performers and capable of taking great pictures.


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Aug 04, 2013 07:29 |  #43

genjurok wrote in post #16179770 (external link)
Actually I was referring to the non-VC Tamron 70-200 when I mentioned the slow and noisy AF. :-)

Yes, I agree with you. All of the 70-200 f/2.8 lens in real life are good performers and capable of taking great pictures.

Then we do agree about that specific Tamron. I looked at the older (non-VC) version before buying my Sigma. The poor AF performance precluded my intended use: sports. So far, still happy with my Sigma, but if the PowerBall lottery helps out, I'd love the Canon II.




  
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Aug 12, 2013 11:57 |  #44

Talley wrote in post #16178036 (external link)
No. I might have been off a few inches, I stood while I took this so maybe I stood a few inches forward and back. Adjusting the framing by zoom alters the testing, these lenses get sharper the further they move down away from 200mm. They are sharpest at 70mm.

When I do the test I will do samples at 70mm, 135mm, and 200mm. I will do two scenes, I will also do a stabilization test and a servo performance. I will also do AF accuracy assumptions based on real world usage. I know my sigma in single shot was very accurate maybe 90% so I need a week or two with the tamron to determine how well it lands on target in real world tests.

The Tamron is not a true 200mm lens, this is why I'm suggesting that the Sigma could also be tested at a focal length that is equivalent to the Tamron's 200mm.

Talley wrote in post #16179202 (external link)
I just realized that this test may not be 100% accurate. I forgot that my sigma lens had no UV filter while I had already installed my Hoya HD uv filter on the Tamron. So the samples I posted the tamron has a filter while the sigma does not.

I'm not sure if this affects anything but I will be sure to have both with no filters when I do my review.

I don't know how the Tamron is affected by a UV filter, but my Sigma's IQ clearly suffers.




  
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Aug 12, 2013 21:03 as a reply to  @ Rush87's post |  #45

In the past Tamron's slower AF plus the reverse rotation zoom and focus rings (not changed for this newer 70-200 VC F/2.8) have driven me to Sigma and/or Canon.

I still have the Tamron 18-270VC (which I kept for a sacrificial travel lens on a 7D) plus I had the 24-70VC F/2.8 to base this decision on. After all these years I still try to turn the zoom the wrong way (Nikon not Canon).

Having a Sigma 70-200 OS F/2.8 means the upgrade to me is for Canon - the Tamron hasn't proven to be a consistently better lens in all the tests I've read (Tamron could not be recommended at CameraLabs based on 2 Nikon version samples).


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