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Which lens? Taekwondo tournaments

 
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Aug 04, 2013 15:20 |  #1

My son is competitive in taekwondo and there are always some great action shots to be had. I currently have a T2i with kit 18-55, kit 55-250 and a nifty fifty 1.8.

The nifty fifty is best for these indoor tournament lighting woes but is too slow in focusing. Using back button focusing is helpful but still not ideal.

What lens would be a better choice? I can't afford a canon 17-55 f2.8 but a sigma or tamron is affordable. Most shots I am close but going to 85 or more would be better. Just need something fast and good in low lighting.


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Aug 04, 2013 15:32 |  #2

Interesting... I'm off to a Taekwondo club tomorrow evening to chat with a trainer regarding capturing some new images for their website (and of their medal haul from the recent world championships).

I'll take the camera for some test shots (before we arrange a date for the actual shoot) to see which of my lenses works best in the environment or if indeed flash is required.

It will be interesting to compare notes.

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Aug 04, 2013 15:42 |  #3

The Sigma and Tamron 17-50s will give you faster focusing (Sigma probably faster since the Tamron doesn't have USD) but aside from that, I don't see them offering as much of an advantage since they are going to top out at 50mm and 2.8. Image stabilization probably won't help much either because you can't freeze action with IS.

How about an 85 1.8/100f2. Either one will give you fast Av and superfast AF for @$400. I will say this, you will have to move back with either of those lenses on a crop body, they are a pretty good jump in reach compared to 50mm.


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Aug 04, 2013 16:01 |  #4

I'd look at the 85mm f/1.8 if you can get close to the ring. If your in the stands then a Canon or Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 are a much better choice but sounds to be more $ than what you want to spend.

Both the 55-250 and 18-55 are way too slow.

Not sure what the T2i AF system is like, but it just might be contributing to sluggish AF under relatively dim gym lighting. Whatever lens you look at be sure to test it in the store with your camera just to be sure you'll see an improvement in AF speed over the 50 f/1.8.


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Aug 04, 2013 16:10 |  #5

Getting close is not an issue. With the crop body the 50 is too close usually. I probably spend most of the time around 18-24. If I move back then the other parents are in the way and you don't get a good shot.

Wonder how quick the new sigma 1.8 zoom is with focusing on indoor action shots?

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I'd look at the 85mm f/1.8 if you can get close to the ring. If your in the stands then a Canon or Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 are a much better choice but sounds to be more $ than what you want to spend.

Both the 55-250 and 18-55 are way too slow.

Not sure what the T2i AF system is like, but it just might be contributing to sluggish AF under relatively dim gym lighting. Whatever lens you look at be sure to test it in the store with your camera just to be sure you'll see an improvement in AF speed over the 50 f/1.8.


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Aug 04, 2013 18:36 |  #6

jefferdy1 wrote in post #16180816 (external link)
Getting close is not an issue. With the crop body the 50 is too close usually. I probably spend most of the time around 18-24. If I move back then the other parents are in the way and you don't get a good shot.

Wonder how quick the new sigma 1.8 zoom is with focusing on indoor action shots?

I think the Sigma 18-35 would be great for this then as would a 30/1.4 or 28/1.8.


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Aug 05, 2013 15:12 |  #7

I rented the new Sigma 30 1.4. I found it to be an extremely solid lens. I have no doubt the focus speed would be fast enough. It is very snappy and surefooted. Has some weight to it and feels quality. 1.4 will definitely allow you to use more comfortable ISOs on your camera.
The 18-35 is obviously the "ideal" lens for your scenario considering the range you use most of the time. The AF speed will probably work just fine. Of course, the 18-35 is $800 and the 30 1.4 is faster and $500 :)


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Aug 05, 2013 16:09 |  #8

So many decisions. Thinking I should go with a 17-50 f2.8 Sigma to get some zoom. Do you think it will be too slow?

BrickR wrote in post #16183486 (external link)
I rented the new Sigma 30 1.4. I found it to be an extremely solid lens. I have no doubt the focus speed would be fast enough. It is very snappy and surefooted. Has some weight to it and feels quality. 1.4 will definitely allow you to use more comfortable ISOs on your camera.
The 18-35 is obviously the "ideal" lens for your scenario considering the range you use most of the time. The AF speed will probably work just fine. Of course, the 18-35 is $800 and the 30 1.4 is faster and $500 :)


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Aug 05, 2013 16:11 |  #9

jefferdy1 wrote in post #16180706 (external link)
My son is competitive in taekwondo

Forms (Poomsae/Hyongs) or fighting/sparring?

For fighting you need 70-100mm on full frame DSLR. An 85mm on an APS-C is a good choice, but it's too long if you sit/stand directly at the fighting area. If you move a little bit away, it works, but spectators can get between you and the action. I would probably sell the 50mm f1.8 and buy the 50mm f1.4. Not because you need f1.4, but for the better lens AF.

For forms I recommend the 100mm f2.0 or the 135mm f2.0, if you have the money.




  
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Aug 05, 2013 18:41 |  #10

jefferdy1 wrote in post #16183599 (external link)
So many decisions. Thinking I should go with a 17-50 f2.8 Sigma to get some zoom. Do you think it will be too slow?

The issue I would have with a 17-50 is not the AF speed but difference you can use in lowering the ISO on your T2i. Opening up from 2.8 to 1.4 is big. Not kinda big, considerably big :cool:
I don't know how close you are from the action but you say you are usually around the 18-24mm range. Sounds like the 18-35 f1.8 is ideal.
The 30 1.4 will be fast enough to keep your ISO even lower than the 1.8 and you can still get full body shots from a relatively close distance in portrait mode.

If you can spend the extra, the 18-35 sounds perfect for you, I know I'll be renting one although it is reported to have quite some weight. The 30 1.4 is a less expensive option that I found to be a really great performer.


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Aug 05, 2013 18:58 as a reply to  @ BrickR's post |  #11

Yes the difference in ISO going from the 17-50/2.8 to the 18-35/1.8 is going from ISO 6400 down to ISO 2500. I love my 17-50, but if I am shooting anything moving indoors, I either am using flash or one of my primes. The 18-35 really seems ideal for this type of shooting.


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Aug 05, 2013 19:55 |  #12

if you're always shooting between 18-24mm, i think the new sigma 18-35f18 would be the one to go with...maybe add an 85f1.8, or 100f2 later on down the line for further away shots


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Aug 05, 2013 21:57 as a reply to  @ DreDaze's post |  #13

I usually shoot wider lenses too, but for this purpose would suggest a fast prime of 50mm+ (for your crop body, 85+ for FF). Here's a shot I took at a recent tournament my son was in--first place in Swordfighting btw!! Which is pretty awesome when you think about it. Swordfighting! Huh. I wonder if it's too late for me to get into swordfighting...hmmm..​.

What was I talking about? Oh, right. Lenses.

Anyway, tournament conditions were: not great light for the shutter speed you want; action happening in a smallish fixed space (ie, consistent focus distance so no need for zoom); lots of background clutter that you can't do anything about.

Here's an example of one kid breaking the heck out of a board! Shot with 17-55 @ 38mm 1/200 2.8 1600 on my 7D. You can see the limitations. Would rather have had more isolation so that the background crowd / flavor is there but with more emphasis on subject. Also, the noise at 1600 isn't great. Sigh. Maybe it's 5D III (or IV) time one of these days.

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Aug 06, 2013 04:55 as a reply to  @ hdco1209's post |  #14

I agree with the other posters, you probably want a fast prime and shoot a little tighter but any of the lens mentioned will do the job, just depends on the shutter speed and ISO.

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Aug 06, 2013 09:18 |  #15

For the best bang for your money, I'd go with a used sigma 17-50 2.8 OS. For the best lens for the job, I'd go with the 18-35 1.8. For the absolute best solution, wait for the sigma 24-70 f2 OS and get a 1dx!


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