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7D mkII. What do you think the specs and price will be?

 
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Aug 08, 2013 17:51 |  #211

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....... while some people in this thread want video banned from Canon DSLR's altogether. :)

I don't want it banned from DSLRs, I just want them to stick it on the full PRO models for people who might genuinely have a use for it and even then I suspect the majority of snappers on here who use FF probably don't use the video too often :( It seems ludicrous to sell my camera as a great video camera as the sound facilities are worse than a joke (I have the upgrade software too). Nobody who took their work seriously would spec a 3.5mm jack as a sensible connector. I do know video is here to stay for the foreseeable future and I am going to have to live with it :(


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Aug 08, 2013 20:00 |  #212

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I don't disagree with you. But I do want to point out that it's not just improved video features (and updated lenses) they've been improving / adding to their camera's. They've been improving AF, adding things like HDR, Wifi, GPS, and the list goes on and on. I feel the same way everyone else does about this issue, which is why I haven't upgraded my camera at all yet. I wish they would improve IQ as well. The difference between some other people and myself is that I want Canon to upgrade IQ in both picture and video, while some people in this thread want video banned from Canon DSLR's altogether. :)

Exactly, I have nothing against video and use mine from time to time and Canon's feature set has greatly improved as well. I'm just waiting for the IQ to improve as well.


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Aug 08, 2013 23:07 |  #213

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Exactly, I have nothing against video and use mine from time to time and Canon's feature set has greatly improved as well. I'm just waiting for the IQ to improve as well.

The 70D's IQ is improved, but only in that Canon seems to have eliminated the artifacts (banding at low and high ISOs) that previous generation sensors produced.

Frankly, it's about time. I'll never complain about getting more dynamic range, but that dynamic range has to be usable and shouldn't come at the expense of something else. In the case of the Nikon sensors, it appears to come at the expense of high-ISO horizontal banding in the shadows.

The Nikons are still going to win for low ISO image quality. What'll be interesting to see is if they win at high ISOs or not.


In any case, I have no reason to believe that the 7D2 will be any sort of improvement over the 7D in terms of image quality with the sole exception of the deep shadow banding at low ISOs. I have every reason to think that when it comes to still-shot photography, Canon has hit the wall hard. And that's sad, even if it's not unexpected.


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Aug 10, 2013 08:12 |  #214

For the life of me, I cannot imagine Canon introducing the 7DII a full year after the 70D with the same sensor...


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Aug 10, 2013 12:20 |  #215

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For the life of me, I cannot imagine Canon introducing the 7DII a full year after the 70D with the same sensor...

If it doesn't make sense, you can bank on it.. :)

the one consistent rumor has been that they will release to "pro" quality camera in 2014. I just wonder what that might be


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Aug 10, 2013 15:35 |  #216

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For the life of me, I cannot imagine Canon introducing the 7DII a full year after the 70D with the same sensor...

Well. Consider Canon's history:

7D - 18mp (2009)
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^ all with 18mp sensor. Suuuure, they may have "tweaked" it a little bit...

So... you still don't think 7D2 won't have the same sensor as the 70D? :lol:


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Aug 10, 2013 16:06 |  #217

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Well. Consider Canon's history:

7D - 18mp (2009)
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T5i (2013)
SL1 (2013)

^ all with 18mp sensor. Suuuure, they may have "tweaked" it a little bit...

So... you still don't think 7D2 won't have the same sensor as the 70D? :lol:

Agreed, BUT look at the sequence.

7D is the flagship and was released first with the, at the time, excellent sensor.

That's why I don't think 7DII should have the same sensor an ENTIRE year after they have released the inferior 70D.


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Aug 10, 2013 16:49 |  #218

I just don't see the crop sensor improving much anymore from where it's at unless they change up the architecture on it.


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Aug 10, 2013 16:54 |  #219

I kept hearing earlier this year that Canon was going to put in the 7D II a new 24 mp sensor that was two stops better in the high ISO department along with a slightly faster AF and more focus points. I would be very happy with those improvements. Now I'm not sure what to think.




  
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Aug 10, 2013 17:50 |  #220

andrikos wrote in post #16196940 (external link)
Agreed, BUT look at the sequence.

7D is the flagship and was released first with the, at the time, excellent sensor.

That's why I don't think 7DII should have the same sensor an ENTIRE year after they have released the inferior 70D.

Different times, different circumstances. Namely, before 7D came about, Nikon was kicking @$$ and taking numbers with its D300 12mp crop camera. The 7D may have initiated Canon's 18mp line-up, and while I wouldn't be opposed to a better sensor in the 7D2, I suspect Canon will recycle the 20.2mp. And the reason being, Nikon has yet to announce the D400, the long-awaited, but never-materialized counter to the 7D.

And if you've been around long enough, there was a time where Nikon claimed they weren't going to bother with the megapixel race. Well, it seems the roles have reversed. Canon's not to concerned with increasing mp, but more about adding features. Whereas Nikon hasn't been very innovative (no new AF), but just pumping out more and more mp. :lol:

My guess is that 7D2 is going to focus more on filling the gap left by the discontinuation of the APS-H sensor. But unfortunately, price tag will also be somewhat reflective as well. It'd be pretty amazing if they shoehorn the 1DX autofocus into the 7D, raise the burst rate to 10 (possibly even 12) fps. And still have a buffer of 25-30+ images. I wouldn't be too surprised if they went with CF/SD dual card slots as well since they've shown they could do so with the 5D3 (though I personally prefer dual CF).

In any case, while I wouldn't mind a different (possibly better) sensor than the 70D, my guess is that it'll most likely be the same sensor.

rjharris wrote in post #16197045 (external link)
I kept hearing earlier this year that Canon was going to put in the 7D II a new 24 mp sensor that was two stops better in the high ISO department along with a slightly faster AF and more focus points. I would be very happy with those improvements. Now I'm not sure what to think.

2 stops better? They'll raise the upper ISO limits by 2 stops perhaps, but 2-stop improvement is VERY unlikely.


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Aug 10, 2013 17:54 |  #221

^^^ raising the upper limit by two stops would be a waste of time on the 7D in my opinion. I was under the impression that they already had some type of new sensor (not the one in the 70D) that was supposed to be much better in terms of high ISO noise and were just still working on getting the fabrication processing down. This was in the early part of 2013. I must have heard wrong I guess.




  
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Aug 10, 2013 18:27 |  #222

I just hope ca on realizes the cult following the 7d has made and goes all out.


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Aug 10, 2013 19:05 |  #223

jwcdds wrote in post #16196894 (external link)
So... you still don't think 7D2 won't have the same sensor as the 70D? :lol:

No, I don't :mrgreen:.

Ultimately, the 7DII needs to give buyers an incentive to spend extra vs the 70D.
And by all accounts, better image quality is a stronger incentive than better features.
So, if Canon wants to charge a premium for 7DII, they will have to put a better sensor in it.
Otherwise, they just won't be able to charge too much, which in turn makes the existence of a 7DII pointless.

At this time, it seems most likely to me that the 7DII will have a new 18mp sensor with 1 stop better ISO in RAW vs the 7D.

As for the the AF system, I see two options, depending on how Canon is planning to price the 7DII:
- if the 7DII is priced at ~$1700, its AF system will be a tweaked version of the 7D/70D AF system, possibly with better sensitivity
- and if priced at ~$2000, the 7DII could have a brand new AF system, possibly on the 1DX/5DIII level

We'll see. I'm betting on the cheaper option.




  
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Aug 10, 2013 20:38 |  #224

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Why just 18mp when the 70D is at 20? How would that move people to pay the premium over the 70D?


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Aug 10, 2013 21:16 |  #225

You guys are way off. It's gonna have dual pixel AF WITH eye control over 80% AF coverage. Haha


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