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Aug 09, 2013 12:53 |  #1

My questions are :

1) What do I charge over my cost?

2) Does the B&G help with layout or is that all me?

3) Typically how many images/pages do you do?

I'm looking at Millers Lab for the album.


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Aug 09, 2013 16:06 |  #2

1) A few things to consider:
- How many hours is it taking you to do the design and layout?
- What's your time worth?
- Can your clients afford it?
....if it's your first album, it'll likely take three times as long as it should, as you fumble through the process of image selection & layout. Once you've done several, it gets easier and you get faster.

2) Not really, though it's reasonable to submit to them a nearly-finished electronic proof so they can make any changes. For instance, "Take out the picture of Uncle Bill on page 4 and replace it with a picture of Aunt Linda, we don't want to see his ugly mug every time we open the wedding album"

If you haven't developed an album style yet, you might submit them a couple pages' proof early in the process, to make sure they like the layout/style you're developing.

3) Depends on their budget, length of the wedding, etc. Enough to tell the story of the whole time you were there. If you only shot the ceremony and no getting ready, formals, or reception, then it's gonna be a pretty thin album. If you shot a twelve-hour day then you might have a thick album.


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Aug 09, 2013 19:19 |  #3

nathancarter wrote in post #16194852 (external link)
1) A few things to consider:
- How many hours is it taking you to do the design and layout?
- What's your time worth?
- Can your clients afford it?
....if it's your first album, it'll likely take three times as long as it should, as you fumble through the process of image selection & layout. Once you've done several, it gets easier and you get faster.

2) Not really, though it's reasonable to submit to them a nearly-finished electronic proof so they can make any changes. For instance, "Take out the picture of Uncle Bill on page 4 and replace it with a picture of Aunt Linda, we don't want to see his ugly mug every time we open the wedding album"

If you haven't developed an album style yet, you might submit them a couple pages' proof early in the process, to make sure they like the layout/style you're developing.

3) Depends on their budget, length of the wedding, etc. Enough to tell the story of the whole time you were there. If you only shot the ceremony and no getting ready, formals, or reception, then it's gonna be a pretty thin album. If you shot a twelve-hour day then you might have a thick album.

Even though there was no church, the ceramony/reception took place in one building. We did formals, ceramony, some getting ready (they declined, got some in the recepition as we were disussing), cake, first dance, candids, it was an 8 hour event, I was beat afterwards. Out of about 1K, got 200+ keepers. So plenty to do an album. I like the idea of sending them a proof. Don't know what their budget is, but I gave them a screaming deal on the wedding being we knew each other and it was my first official wedding gig. Thanks.


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Aug 09, 2013 19:25 |  #4

I would think this would have been decided prior to the wedding. My wedding packages either do or do not include an album.

I create the layout. I let them proof it in case they want an image swapped out. I use H/H Color Lab for my albums w/ layflat pages, leather cover, wood bridge. 20 sides, 30 sides max. I think it's $275 my cost. I sell them for $750. .


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Aug 09, 2013 21:30 |  #5

DagoImaging wrote in post #16195219 (external link)
I would think this would have been decided prior to the wedding. My wedding packages either do or do not include an album.

I create the layout. I let them proof it in case they want an image swapped out. I use H/H Color Lab for my albums w/ layflat pages, leather cover, wood bridge. 20 sides, 30 sides max. I think it's $275 my cost. I sell them for $750. .

Thanks Dag, H&H is my current lab, been looking at Millers, have an account there too, but H&H is the one that does most of my work. Their support is good as long as you dont need it on the weekends. Thanks


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Aug 09, 2013 23:20 |  #6

DagoImaging wrote in post #16195219 (external link)
I would think this would have been decided prior to the wedding. My wedding packages either do or do not include an album.

I create the layout. I let them proof it in case they want an image swapped out. I use H/H Color Lab for my albums w/ layflat pages, leather cover, wood bridge. 20 sides, 30 sides max. I think it's $275 my cost. I sell them for $750. .

It was decided, to not have one. After the wedding they changed their mind. Going over Ezsuite now, I guess it's one photo per side, square ratio.


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Aug 10, 2013 09:24 |  #7

I would highly recommend downloading the templates that H&H provides for their book/album sizes. They're at the bottom of the "Product Info" page for each product.

I learned the hard way with my first product from them - fortunately it was just an inexpensive calendar.


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Aug 10, 2013 09:47 |  #8

I second shoot, so my main handles all of this stuff. But she makes the bride and groom pick out the images, and then she designs from there. Not sure if this is common practice or not.




  
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Aug 10, 2013 18:48 as a reply to  @ careanne's post |  #9

For those of you that use H&H, do you know if they send any kind of samples? I'll be calling them on Monday.


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Aug 10, 2013 19:24 |  #10

One suggestion you may want to consider is to for you to lay out the album and then have the B&G either sit down with you to review and approve it or in the case of MPIX, send them a link to the album. I found that worked very well for my clients. However, I should point out that shot weddings on film for 30+ years but only shot 5 in digital before I retired from the business. Nevertheless, my clients really liked me doing the layout. In most cases, they only requested a few changes. Since you are new to the business, I wouldn't charge them for laying it out. I would look at this as a learning experience. Your customers would likely be thrilled. I personally use MPIX but my friend used Millers for years. Both the same company though. Good luck!


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Aug 11, 2013 11:52 |  #11

Grumpy_one wrote in post #16197231 (external link)
For those of you that use H&H, do you know if they send any kind of samples? I'll be calling them on Monday.

They'll send paper samples for free I think, and they have discounts on sample albums and books. Sometimes they run 50% off specials for their albums and books. The samples have a small imprint in the back cover that says "SAMPLE NOT FOR SALE."

I like their photo pano books and of course the albums. The press-print books didn't impress me, quality-wise ... but they're cheap! I've only gotten one of their press-printed books; going forward I think I'll stick with the photo print books & albums.


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Aug 11, 2013 11:55 |  #12

georgebowman wrote in post #16197289 (external link)
One suggestion you may want to consider is to for you to lay out the album and then have the B&G either sit down with you to review and approve it or in the case of MPIX, send them a link to the album. I found that worked very well for my clients. However, I should point out that shot weddings on film for 30+ years but only shot 5 in digital before I retired from the business. Nevertheless, my clients really liked me doing the layout. In most cases, they only requested a few changes. Since you are new to the business, I wouldn't charge them for laying it out. I would look at this as a learning experience. Your customers would likely be thrilled. I personally use MPIX but my friend used Millers for years. Both the same company though. Good luck!

I appreciate your candor. But I'm done doing free photography. If I'm spending time doing this, my time is worth something. I've done enough free service in the past to pay my dues. So if they want an album, they're going to have to pay me for my time. I don't mean to sound cross, but I've learned one thing, if I'm going to act like a professional, I'm going to have to act like a professional. And that means getting paid. I'm almost ashamed of what I charged them for the wedding. H&H has been my lab in the past, I'm in the process of putting together their album. I'll have to find out what their budget is and go from there. This could possibly run more than what I charged for the whole shoot. When we sat down and discussed details, the subject of an album was brought up, they declined. Of course since the wedding went well enough, they now what to cherish those moments. I get that.

I'll have them over to the house and go over the lay out, they get back from their honeymoon today. Again George, don't mean to sound harsh, but free work is behind me. I've done a few photo albums in the past for family, so I have some experience. While I'm knew to doing weddings, I've been getting paid for several years. I appreciate the help. Thanks

Side note: while these are friends of ours and I will charge them for my time, I will be giving them a deal I wouldn't be giving to someone I didn't know. Thanks again.


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Aug 11, 2013 12:22 |  #13

Grumpy_one wrote in post #16198665 (external link)
......I'm in the process of putting together their album. I'll have to find out what their budget is and go from there. This could possibly run more than what I charged for the whole shoot.

If it was me I'd find out their budget before I started laying it out. There's a huge difference in price depending on size and number of pages.


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Aug 11, 2013 20:57 |  #14

Grumpy_one wrote in post #16198665 (external link)
if I'm going to act like a professional, I'm going to have to act like a professional.

That's some Confucius sh!t right there.


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Aug 11, 2013 22:11 |  #15

I didn't mean to offend you in any way. Your post indicated this was your first wedding. Consequently, I would assume you are just learning the ropes of the wedding business. I was also unaware that you had experience creating digital albums. You should charge what you think your time is worth. However, keep in mind that "word of mouth" advertising is probably the best way to build your business. At least that's how my business took off many, many years back. My personal advice is set your fees based on your experience and customer recommendation. You aren't going to be able to make a go of your business if you charge the same rate as photographers with more experience. I wish you all the best as you pursue your career. I"m sure you will do well. Again, my comments and advice were based on experience and not intended to offend you.


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