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RANT: Photographer for the less fortunate?!

 
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Aug 13, 2013 13:15 |  #31

Thomas Campbell wrote in post #16204694 (external link)
Learn to be a photographer first.

I sent you a PM with a list of photographers in the area advertising wedding shoots between $500 and $2,000

Can you say I can't deliver similar work? (Except the person advertising $1,700.. I'll say after ONE wedding experience, I'll do similar work)

If you say that, I'll post my best general photography shots, and you choose their best shots in your opinion.

I will accept the outcome..


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Aug 13, 2013 13:25 |  #32

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I think being a 2nd shooter would be your best avenue for learning.
Good luck to you.

Thank you.. I think I will have to stick to finding 2nd shooter opportunities, even if things happen slow. It's the safest way to go.


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Aug 13, 2013 13:33 |  #33

Share that list with the rest of us? :)


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Aug 13, 2013 13:39 |  #34

Sens0r wrote in post #16204750 (external link)
I sent you a PM with a list of photographers in the area advertising wedding shoots between $500 and $2,000

Can you say I can't deliver similar work? (Except the person advertising $1,700.. I'll say after ONE wedding experience, I'll do similar work)

If you say that, I'll post my best general photography shots, and you choose their best shots in your opinion.

I will accept the outcome..

Just because they have no business being in business, doesn't mean you have business being in business.

I don't care how much someone charging $2k sucks. That has nothing to do with what you choose to do. You are telling people to hire someone good because you aren't confident in your abilities. Then you shouldn't be offering up, even for free. It is just bad business.

Showing their worst pic vs your best pic doesn't prove anything. I could probably post one of my best shots and one of Joe McNally's worst shots ever and you would choose mine, and it wouldn't mean I am better than Joe.


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Aug 13, 2013 13:45 |  #35

you can also try to find some group shoots via meetup.com etc in your area, fun easy way to build up a portfolio. Might not be wedding per se, but portraits, fashion, etc, all good things and you get to watch others and always will pick up something new.

Maybe also contact a wedding boutique in your area, offer some trade thing, you shoot their outfits with models they supply, they get prints to hang in their store or put in ads/web, etc.

Get a couple you know, rent a tux and a wedding dress, shoot. Maybe they even still have their wedding dress? Same for fancy outfits some might have (or again a local boutique).

Or a flower shop or a cake shop, to add some of the "wedding detail" shot. Lots of things you can do "for fun" that will add to your portfolio without being known as the free guy.


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Aug 13, 2013 14:00 |  #36

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I think I like how you're looking at it.. But what if when you make that move people ask for sample wedding work? What are you going to say exactly? I wanna know this..

I can't tell you exactly what i will say, because every client is different. But i can tell you what my goals are going into the sales process. FWIW, i have the benefit of having dealt with clients as a freelance graphic artist for 15+ years.

I have a diverse portfolio of images. Very low light examples, portrait examples, event photography examples, action examples, landscape examples, architecture examples, , ,

I know how to take pictures, the hard evidence i can provide, plus talking to the client about my experience and skill should be enough to get a face to face meeting. You'd be surprised what a simple website with your name on it can do to boost confidence.

once i get face time, i will make sure they understand that i plan to take an organized and methodical approach to the job. I will have a list of questions they need to answer, that include outlining their expectations as well as all of the details and contact information for the venue. Basically I will do everything i can to appear as a professional business person in their eyes so that confidence is built.

A person with a great marketing scheme but below average photography skills will do many times better than someone with below average marketing skills and great photographic skills.

If you have both you will go far.

Sens0r wrote in post #16204661 (external link)
Again, this is what I'm trying to do. How can you build skills at wedding photography without actually shooting weddings?!

Marketing. If you don't have confidence that you can do the job, you'll never get the client to buy in. Honestly, its starting to sound like you don't have the confidence, and need to get better organized as to what it takes to sucessfully shoot a wedding. Which is fine. As i said earlier, "WHEN i decide to get into wedding photogaphy" i will be fully ready. That time isn't here yet, not because i don't think i can take great pictures at a wedding, but because all the non-picture taking pieces are not together yet.

Read this guy's stuff, you could read his old blog posts for days and come up with some incredible ideas about how to market your services and convince clients that you are unique.

http://sethgodin.typep​ad.com/ (external link)

if you have confidence and passion about your product, with some serious thought and PLANNING, you should be able to sell it.


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Aug 13, 2013 14:17 |  #37

You can shoot at public events like parades and fairs (county fair and street fair outdoors, trade fair or convention indoors) to practice maneuvering where people are moving around. For cakes, flowers, rings, table settings, and food, set up still lifes and vary the lighting conditions. Spend a month on wine being poured into a glass. If you don't have a relationship with a church/synagogue/templ​e, find a member of the clergy and ask permission to shoot inside the building when it's empty. Take pictures of church windows until you know a great technique for doing stained glass. Take pictures of the seating from different spots until you have focus and depth of field down pat for that kind of shot. See what I mean?


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Aug 14, 2013 06:03 |  #38

Sens0r wrote in post #16203140 (external link)
Me:"I was not expecting so many people would call a free photographer to do weddings, but apparently some do, and some can't afford a great photographer"

Excellent marketing! NOT!!


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Aug 14, 2013 07:10 as a reply to  @ Picture North Carolina's post |  #39

You will find plenty of photographers who have shoddy homes and/or vehicles but thousands of dollars in camera gear. Have you see anyone who has a nicer car than a home? What about musicians who stuff $10,000 in gear into a $500 vehicle every weekend?

People have the means to afford the things that they value most. Those who really want a photographer will find a way to pay for it. If they just want point & shoot quality pictures from their wedding day, then that's what they are going to look to pay for.


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Oct 28, 2013 20:22 |  #40

this thread is a couple of months old...any update on the free weddings?


Here is my take, seeing as I read through all the comments before recognizing the date.

-You do not practice at someone's wedding. Period.
-OP- from reading everything, you need to take control of everything. You seem to go with the flow. recipie for disaster.


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