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Aug 12, 2013 12:55 |  #16

Wilt wrote in post #16201132 (external link)
The OP nevertheless already stated, "The 17-55 2.8 does a decent job, but I find myself invading people's body space with it"

That's what happens when you don't have enough shooting space, which is the scenario you presented. Not sure what argument you are making.


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Aug 12, 2013 14:25 |  #17

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That's what happens when you don't have enough shooting space, which is the scenario you presented. Not sure what argument you are making.

If you use 55mm,

  • you have to stand a mere 5' away to shoot a headshot with APS-C, whereas you could use 150mm on FF to shoot the exact same framing at a distance of 10'... 94mm would permit 10' distance with APS-C.
  • you have to stand 8.5' away to shoot a head and shoulders with APS-C, whereas you could use 100mm on FF to shoot the exact same framing at a distance of 10'... 62.5mm would permit 10' distance with APS-C.

'intrusive distance' varies for each of us. Choosing the right FL might permit a more comfortable shooting distance for OP, without forcing the need for an overlay large and unavailable shooting space. That's my point.

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Aug 13, 2013 04:58 |  #18

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Maybe the 135L for your portrait work, and slap a 1.4x on it for telephoto needs. You end up with a 189 2.8 that is still pretty sharp.

As I said earlier, I think the 135 will be too long for me, but a 1.4x on the 85mm might be a good workaround for some of the telephoto range.


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Aug 13, 2013 06:20 as a reply to  @ Kirth Gersen's post |  #19

Make sure you check lens comparability with teleconverters.


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Aug 13, 2013 08:55 |  #20

If you are in no hurry you could take portraits for a while with your 17-55 "frozen" at 55mm and f/2.8. I have one, and it does a great job for me. Take lots of portraits to discover what exactly you mean by portrait: Headshot, head-and-shoulders, full body, and/or wide to include the background. If you find that 55mm is too short (distortion, invasion of personal space...) then go for 85mm for a start. Decide on the max. aperture according to the look that you prefer and how you like managing shallow depth of field.

Should you start craving the 85L for the shallow depth of field and the IQ, perhaps you should also crave a full frame body, such as the 6D.

I also have a 1.4x TC and find it useful on occasion such as "making" my 135 f/2 into a 200 f'2.8 for church work, or increasing the reach of my 70-200. I'd not think of it for normal portraits as inevitably there's some loss of IQ.


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Aug 13, 2013 10:26 |  #21

Good advice.

Meanderthal wrote in post #16204024 (external link)
Should you start craving the 85L for the shallow depth of field and the IQ, perhaps you should also crave a full frame body, such as the 6D.

Ha - I've just got the 7D! I'll wait till those prices fall before I go FF.


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Aug 13, 2013 12:04 as a reply to  @ Kirth Gersen's post |  #22

Final thought.

I can get the 55-250 new for £100 (ceegee's suggestion) - in the scheme of things that is peanuts. It complements my 17-55 range, it has IS, and a reasonable AF (but not USM), it has good reviews for the price, and seems to remain fairly sharp to 250mm. Given my marginal use for it, I think it hits the mark, so on the day I need the reach - I've got it.

So my basket is £370 for that plus the 85mm.

I'll sleep on it and hit the button tomorrow!


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Aug 13, 2013 14:31 |  #23

Kirth Gersen wrote in post #16204576 (external link)
I'll sleep on it and hit the button tomorrow!

You've got much more patience than me, I hit the button now and justify it by tomorrow.




  
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Aug 14, 2013 14:19 as a reply to  @ Ephur's post |  #24

Your 17-55 is excellent, the 85 will be very good for your portraits, and the added 55-250 adequate for now, esp. with flash. You'll do very well with that trio for your 7D. Enjoy, and let us know how it works out.


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Aug 14, 2013 19:46 |  #25

Hi Kirth, nice setup you got there. ;)

For portrait- 85 1.8 (cheaper, shallower dof) or 100L (better colors, contrast, macro, and image stabilization, and slightly longer reach.) Also don't be afraid to use the 17-55 for portraits. Check out the Sig 35, 50l, 85 threads. There are people on full frame taking many gorgeous portraits with these lenses. Your 17-55 on crop covers all these ranges. Personally, I'd use 17-55 indoors and 85 1.8 outdoors for portraits. P.S. while the 100L has better colors/contrast by a bit, it's nothing you can't fix in post in 10 seconds. I was mainly suggesting it as a longer option, an the ability to do macro is pretty cool.

I'd skip the 135...too long on crop, and not the easiest to use without IS.

Telephoto I'd skip completely for now, two lenses are enough when you start and 3 will make your head spin. After owning the 17-55 and 85/100L you're not gonna be happy with the 55-250. I'd skip it altogether and grab 70-200 f4is when you're ready (if you even need it?)


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Aug 28, 2013 15:34 |  #26

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Enjoy, and let us know how it works out.

Totally in love with the 85mm. Definitely the right focal length on the crop for me. This one was wide open at f/1.8 taken about 12-15 feet away. Quite a bit of chromatic aberration, but it does not worry me at the moment.

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I took 3 photos with the 55-250 to make sure it worked, put it back in the case and haven't used it since... as expected. We'll see.

Canon 6D: Canon 85mm f/1.8 ~ Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 ~ 70-300mm f/4.0 - f/5.6 ~ Carl Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 ~ Carl Zeiss 100mm f/2.0
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Aug 29, 2013 11:16 |  #27

I would get the 85/1.8, a flash, and a reflector for portrait work. Hold off on a 135mm or telephoto zoom for now.

For flash, you could try 3rd party like a Yongnuo 560 III if you want to save money.

135L is a *really* nice lens, but, way too long on a crop sensor for me as my main telephoto lens above 85mm. I'd only be using it outdoors. 70-200L (any) or 70-300L are excellent zooms, but, cost so much that you better be right that they are the best for what you shot to make them worth your money.

Lastly, if gear gets to be too heavy, do look into better camera bags (e.g., backpacks) and neckstraps. For neckstraps, I went with Op/tech USA straps over the Canon logo'd straps. Working out at the gym also helps.


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Aug 29, 2013 17:15 as a reply to  @ marcosv's post |  #28

off camera flashes and reflectors are a bit down the road for me. About learning to walk before I an run. But thanks for the tips.


Canon 6D: Canon 85mm f/1.8 ~ Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 ~ 70-300mm f/4.0 - f/5.6 ~ Carl Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 ~ Carl Zeiss 100mm f/2.0
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Aug 29, 2013 19:19 |  #29

RickRandhawa wrote in post #16208717 (external link)
I'd skip the 135...too long on crop, and not the easiest to use without IS.

I second that. I bought one recently for my 7D and am thinking of selling it, whereas my Sigma 1.4 is one of my favorite lenses. The results are amazing.


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Aug 29, 2013 19:51 |  #30

If you can't afford the great 135mm f2, then the 100mm f2 is a outstanding second choice.




  
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