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Aug 05, 2013 22:51 |  #1

I might come into some camera gear money sometime soon and am thinking about getting rid of both my Tamrons (17-50 2.8 and 70-200 2.8) to replace them with--ideal scenario--the 16-35 F/2.8L and 70-200 f/2.8L IS II.

Thing is there's no way I'll be able to afford both, so for sure I would start with the go-to lens for most situations, the 16-35L, but then I thought of another option that might work right away if I stretched the budget a bit: the 135 F/2.0L (external link)

Do any of you use it at all? Or did you all end up with the 70-200 II which made the 135 redundant?

The logic behind the 135 2.0 is that, for one thing, it's only a grand, for another the faster 2.0 will be welcomed in dimly lit venues, and the shaved weight is interesting too. From what I've read the lens is super sharp and blazing fast AF. The obvious con is the lacking IS, but would the 2.0 aperture make up for it in part? The other con is that it's a prime, so no zoom, but I'm not sure it's such a con since 135 is right in the middle of the 70-200 range and it's the focal length I end up shooting half the time, plus I find I pay more attention to composition when I'm not fiddling around with the zoom, so creatively it might end up being a benefit.

I'd be curious to hear what others think? Viable option or waste of money so keep the Tamron and wait for money for the 70-200 IS even if it takes years?


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Aug 06, 2013 04:10 |  #2
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I would sell the 17-50mm and see if you can budget for the Canon 24-70mm, albeit, they are a bit pricey at the moment, you need to cover and bit of overlap on the focal length, though the 17-50mm is a bit handy where the performers are too near to the stage

This is my combo of lenses I use for concerts: 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm (all 2.8). If I think that lighting is a bit problematic then I would stick on either of my f/1.8 lenses




  
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Aug 06, 2013 19:08 as a reply to  @ RichSoansPhotos's post |  #3

Sure thanks, but I'm on a crop body (7D) so the 16-35 makes a lot more sense I think then the 24-70.
Still curious to hear from others re the 135 F/2...


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Aug 07, 2013 11:57 |  #4

it's a great lens (fast, focuses very quickly, great bokeh and image quality) but it's also my least-used lens.


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Aug 07, 2013 12:23 |  #5

narlus wrote in post #16188531 (external link)
it's a great lens (fast, focuses very quickly, great bokeh and image quality) but it's also my least-used lens.

Yea, I suspect once you have the 70-200 II, the 135 becomes almost useless as the difference in image quality will be unnoticeable.
As a considerably cheaper (1100$ less around here!) alternative to the 70-200 II, though, I'm wondering if it could work for the foreseeable future.
Might just rent it for the next gig and look at the limitations vs results.


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Aug 07, 2013 12:34 |  #6

Mostly, though, I think I'm deluding myself and need to save up for the 70-200 II and never look back.
Stupid expensive hobby/occasional gig that pays little more than dirt and a free ticket.
Stupid Tamron gear I never shoulda bought in the first place :rolleyes:


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Aug 07, 2013 13:22 |  #7

one additional option would be to get a tokina (aka kenko) 1.4TC and use it w/ the 135 if you need 200mm. cheaper than the 70-200.


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SuburbanSteve wrote in post #16186779 (external link)
Sure thanks, but I'm on a crop body (7D) so the 16-35 makes a lot more sense I think then the 24-70.
Still curious to hear from others re the 135 F/2...


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Aug 15, 2013 12:17 |  #9

Another idea would be to keep the short Tamron, which is a fine lens, sell the Tamron 70-200 and buy a used Canon 70-200 v1.


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Aug 21, 2013 23:18 |  #10

SuburbanSteve wrote in post #16184530 (external link)
I might come into some camera gear money sometime soon and am thinking about getting rid of both my Tamrons (17-50 2.8 and 70-200 2.8) to replace them with--ideal scenario--the 16-35 F/2.8L and 70-200 f/2.8L IS II.

Thing is there's no way I'll be able to afford both, so for sure I would start with the go-to lens for most situations, the 16-35L, but then I thought of another option that might work right away if I stretched the budget a bit: the 135 F/2.0L (external link)

Do any of you use it at all? Or did you all end up with the 70-200 II which made the 135 redundant?

The logic behind the 135 2.0 is that, for one thing, it's only a grand, for another the faster 2.0 will be welcomed in dimly lit venues, and the shaved weight is interesting too. From what I've read the lens is super sharp and blazing fast AF. The obvious con is the lacking IS, but would the 2.0 aperture make up for it in part? The other con is that it's a prime, so no zoom, but I'm not sure it's such a con since 135 is right in the middle of the 70-200 range and it's the focal length I end up shooting half the time, plus I find I pay more attention to composition when I'm not fiddling around with the zoom, so creatively it might end up being a benefit.

I'd be curious to hear what others think? Viable option or waste of money so keep the Tamron and wait for money for the 70-200 IS even if it takes years?

I was in the same situation a few months ago, I had a wedding coming up and I needed a fast long lens. I wanted the 70-200 IS 2.8 lens but couldnt afford it, I was tempted with the 70-200 F4 but knew I wouldnt be happy with the lack of light it let in, and ended up getting the 135 F2L. It has become one of my favorite lenses for outdoor portraits. Its a bit long in my studio even on a FF camera.

If you buy it used on amazon its about $850, about $250 less than new. Mine was used and came with both the hood and bag and is in mint condition.


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Aug 25, 2013 11:17 |  #11

Thanks for the reply Gerry.
I'm still waiting on the budget as we speak, still not sure what it'll be, but the most tempting combination right now is to leave the short Tamron on the 7d and buy a 6d with the 135 F2L to put on it. Should be one mean low-light machine! And then, budget permitting, upgrade to 16-35 L. Next year I can always sell the 135 and get the 70-200 IS II, or hell, keep the 135 for indoor venues, bars and such, I'm sure it'll be hard to beat.


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Aug 25, 2013 11:27 |  #12

If you are open to 3rd party lenses the new sigma 18-35 could be a great lternative to the 16-35L (which is also double the price) and with the money you saved you'd be able to afford the 70-200 mk2

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Aug 25, 2013 23:25 |  #13

thanks, but I'm done with 3rd party lenses I think. It's a trust issue more than a performance issue in reality. I'm blaming Tamron right now for whatever I don't like about any shot I take, even if the lens is entirely blameless and it's all on the photog holding it up. If I go with Sigma I'll end up in the same predicament, with shots I don't like, and wondering whether the L glass would've given better results.

Once I have the L glass, missed shots will be missed shots.


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Aug 26, 2013 01:01 |  #14

I sampled all of the 70-200s out there. I own a 70-200 f4L non-IS; I also own a 135L. I also have a 16-35L II, 50mm 1.4, 85 1.8 and 300 2.8. I list those others because that does change my perspective some.

1. What are the missed shots, blurry, soft, timing, crummy lighting etc.? Post some samples, but a brand name does not make or miss the shots. That may prove a ton of answer there.

1. 16-35 on a 7D, is a wide to standard range zoom that's relatively quick, some bokeh can be achieved with it, but that takes some work. But for the most part Standard zoom translates to standard pictures unless you really work the composition. Kick it wide stop it down and it's pretty easy to get all in focus landscapes, and great starbursts. Some of these things make it a good travel lens with the 7D. However, I made this selection with long term planning in mind; and in that respect, going to 35mm format is an eventuality not a hypothetical. The lens has already seen use with some film work, and it is a matter of time before I go to a full frame camera. Which at those focal lengths gives a much different set of eyes to see the world in the UWA category. In the standard lens category on APS-C it's a shorter zoom range and for me typically is either at 16 or 35, 80+% of the time. On the crop body corner to corner tack sharp wide open, full frame soft corners unless stopped down.

2. The 135L, it is spectacular, on my 7D it's my go to for a walkaround lens. It is the lens that lives on the camera when I'm not shooting, but it's my mostly likely starting point when I open my bag. Value separation etc, that's all been beaten to death. Before I got the 135 I was looking very heavily at the 70-200 IS II. I know 4 stop IS is touted to death around the boards here, but I shoot indoor sports pretty much every week for 3 or so months out of the year, and in gymnastics, strobing is not an option; and IS does nothing for freezing action, just for dampening user induced camera shake and smoothing panning. So subject matter that extra stop of light was gold for me. I already had the 85 1.8 in my bag; the 85 1.8 has quicker AF, the 135, even in a gripped 7D has a noticeably slower (not slow, slower) AF, because there is more glass to move in the L lens; but the 85 has some really harsh CA, and there were times that the indoor venues stuck me to a fixed location and the working distance would dictate a focal length. Once I got the 135, the 70-200 was taken out only for when I needed 200 (the 135 and sigma 1.4xTC got really soft results); then I got the 300 and it has been either 135 or 300, the 70-200 sits in the bag and the 85 only comes along for trips where I know I'm going to be locked into a position.
The 70-200 IS II, for me really has become one of those it'd be nice to have in some situations lenses (after being the solution to most circumstances) but I'll take the extra stop of the 135L any day. The lighter weight doesn't hurt either at the end of holding the camera over 5-6 hours of shooting.

Also I have the 50 1.4; this means I've got more flexibility than a gap from 35 to 135. Also the 1.4 can do a lot better job of separation than the 16-35 at 35 at 2.8 albeit at different working distance or tighter FOV.

If you've worked with primes before, and you're on a budget, there's times one needs to be careful with lighting but the USM non-L primes really do a consistently good job, and many come in to the $300-600 range a 28, 50, 100 combo would give you room to expand.

But getting back to the crux of the issue, it really shouldn't boil down to the brand name if it's missed shots. If they're a little soft, or the colors are a bit off or it's not quite as contrasty sure, but the gap between the lenses should not be usable to unusable, it's more in line with that last 2-3% of the style in the image. Post some samples, describe what you typically shoot and what conditions you shoot it in. And perhaps some workflow background, I know even already having a RAW workflow down when I upgraded to the 7D, there were some changes to be had on the different characteristics of the sensor. There's a lot more that can be done for getting better results that doesn't require spending any money, that can ensure the money you do need to spend is well placed and not in vain. Even if you learn the techniques later on you may have chosen the wrong L glass for your needs after dialing in other aspects of your craft.


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Aug 26, 2013 20:43 |  #15

Thanks man, I really appreciate the input!
But like I said, the L glass is not so much for the added performance, so much as the added peace of mind (expensive peace of mind, obviously). And yea, when I say missed shots, I do mean shots that are just a bit softer than I'd like, or just the thought that the slightly quicker Canon AF might have given me a few extra keepers, things like that. I know full well we're talking very slim differences here.


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