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Aug 10, 2013 19:16 |  #5701

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Tony and friends -
The link below is to a post that I wrote several days ago in a different thread and while thinking about it today it occurred to me that it might be helpful to some of those who are new to Raw and come to this thread for information. It may clarify for them what a Raw file is and might answer that eternal question "Why does LR change my Raws?" As a bit of background, the OP asked how he could know what the original Raw is supposed to look like if LR keeps changing it. It seemed to me that he had the idea that what he saw on the camera LCD was the "real Raw" that could then be changed at will. This seems to be a not uncommon misconception - that the camera's embedded jpg is the definitive version that one can try to recreate in LR or disregard, but either way it is some sort of Holy Grail. Actually, my out of camera Raws look horrible in Explorer or DPP or some other photo browser. Read the post to see why:
https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=16187973&p​ostcount=9

Elie, thanks for this!

You know, sometimes I get a bit of a chuckle when people pop up about this stuff without having done the "homework", but I don't want to be mean about it:)!


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Aug 13, 2013 22:33 |  #5703

Nice job of bringing out the "Pop" with those colors, rxsamg! Thanks for a cool contribution!


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Aug 14, 2013 11:37 |  #5704

shinksma wrote in post #16149977 (external link)
Sorry for quoting the whole thing, but the post is old enough that I wanted to keep the context for my question:

I scroll through this thread and see mostly Lightroom stuff. I don't have Lightroom, I play mostly with DPP for RAW manipulation.

Is something like the transformation displayed above even remotely achievable using DPP, or am I truly starting to encounter the limitation of my toolkit, and should finally pony up for some "real" software?

shinksma

tpatana wrote in post #16150445 (external link)
LR is just a tool, it all depends how well you use your tools. That said, I think it would take quite lot of time and skills to do that in DPP, and I (with my poor skills) was able to do that with LR in ~15 minutes.

Looking your gear list, I'd say you really sound pro enough to get LR. If LR5 is too much, you should find good deals on LR4 which is still plenty good.

tonylong wrote in post #16151306 (external link)
Phil, we've "allowed" showing the Lightroom tool work, since they are using the Raw non-destructive approach. In fact, we started this thread before all the Lightroom tools were in place, but it did have things like spot removal and red-eye removal. It's amazing how much you can do with the Raw processors, with all the "edits" being stored in the photo metadata without altering the pixels!

Lightroom is certainly packed with powerful features, one of the reasons why it's so popular here.

That being said, a lot can certainly be done with DPP. In fact, it's what I encourage for Canon shooters who want to start out with Raw processing. In fact, there are a fair number of folks here who have continued to use DPP as there Raw processor, and then when needed go ahead and open the image in a "full" image editor. A lot of folks have been happy with DPP together with, say, the inexpensive Photoshop Elements.

But, sure, Lightroom has been popular for both the powerful Raw processing tools, tools that get improved and added to with each new release, and Lightroom also has a good set of tools for organizing a growing photo library as well as for outputting edited photos in various ways.

So just to get back to my question, I did purchase LR5, and I have been playing with it a bit as a result (using trial version while I await physical media w/ code).

And indeed it is a more powerful editor, just the clarity and color adjustment tools alone make it an improvement over DPP, and the touch-up brush (and how it is implemented) is very nice. On top of that, in a separate thread I had questions that got resolved with the conclusion that LR uses all the dynamic range of the raw image, DPP willfully truncates DR.

So for all those folks sitting on the fence about moving up from DPP - go for it. It has already allowed me to produce better final images than I could get out of DPP. I really look forward to an afternoon or three of just mucking about seeing what LR5 can do.

And LR5 may still be discounted with a coupon code at Adorama right now. See the thread in the Marketplace section.

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Aug 14, 2013 13:20 |  #5705

JoYork wrote in post #16182178 (external link)
Here's my before:

QUOTED IMAGE

And my LR settings:

QUOTED IMAGE

and my after:

QUOTED IMAGE

I also added a little post-crop vignetting (higlight priority), and the slider was set to -21.


Stunning result !
I don't tend to do anything with my photographs apart of usual crop/ brightness adjust here and there. It looks like light room is a handy program for any photographer.


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Aug 14, 2013 13:22 |  #5706

rxsamg wrote in post #16206030 (external link)
QUOTED IMAGE

QUOTED IMAGE
Hopefully not overcooked!
QUOTED IMAGE

Lovely , vibrant colors. Almost to good :)


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Aug 16, 2013 02:48 |  #5707

I'm new to LR, but here's a recent attempt. I hope I'm sharing the correct info:

BEFORE

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Aug 16, 2013 03:00 |  #5708

dropmyload wrote in post #16212348 (external link)
I'm new to LR, but here's a recent attempt. I hope I'm sharing the correct info:

BEFORE
before (external link) by smandavia (external link), on Flickr

SETTINGS
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AFTER
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Another great example of the benefits of shooting RAW and learning how to use Lightroom, Aperture, etc. +1


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Aug 16, 2013 16:16 |  #5709

kiapolo wrote in post #16212358 (external link)
Another great example of the benefits of shooting RAW and learning how to use Lightroom, Aperture, etc. +1

I agree, keep 'em coming!!


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Aug 19, 2013 07:21 |  #5710

rxsamg wrote in post #16206030 (external link)
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Hopefully not overcooked!

Great results.
Diablo did it again!




  
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Aug 19, 2013 11:40 |  #5711

dropmyload wrote in post #16212348 (external link)
I'm new to LR, but here's a recent attempt. I hope I'm sharing the correct info:

BEFORE

SETTINGS

AFTER

kiapolo wrote in post #16212358 (external link)
Another great example of the benefits of shooting RAW and learning how to use Lightroom, Aperture, etc. +1

Indeed, that is an excellent job of recovering all that detail from the shadows.

This inspires me to find similar shots where the sky, usually overcast, has been too bright/glary for a good shot of a bird, but I took the shot anyway. Maybe some of my previously-classified-as-tossable shots are recoverable.

Good thing I keep everything...I am a digital packrat. Well, I'm a bit of a physical one too. No, I don't resemble a rat all that much, I mean I store probably useless stuff away in closets "just in case". Hmm, this hole I'm digging seems to be getting bigger the more I type...

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Aug 20, 2013 22:17 as a reply to  @ shinksma's post |  #5712

Took in one of our Provincial Jr. Football league games last weekend. The host team requested that since I was with the visiting team, I was not allowed to shoot from their sidelines - resulting in me having to shoot directly into the sun for about an hour until it set behind the hills. Took a bit of work, but managaed to salvage a sort of "retro look to a few of the shots. C&C encouraged.


Original straight OOC:

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untitled-1-11 (external link) by GreyStoke Photography (external link), on Flickr


Settings:

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11111 (external link) by GreyStoke Photography (external link), on Flickr


Side x Side:

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222 (external link) by GreyStoke Photography (external link), on Flickr


Final:

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7322/9560728898_432173fdff_b.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …kephotography/9​560728898/  (external link)
untitled-1-9 (external link) by GreyStoke Photography (external link), on Flickr


A couple of others completed similarly:

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untitled-2 (external link) by GreyStoke Photography (external link), on Flickr


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untitled-3 (external link) by GreyStoke Photography (external link), on Flickr

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Aug 21, 2013 00:23 |  #5713

Pretty impressive, Lobowski!


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Aug 21, 2013 08:53 |  #5714

That last one looks fantastic even without the whole "had to shoot against the sun" taken into consideration.

LOL! I'm just noticing that their helmets say "SUN". Oh the irony.


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Aug 21, 2013 09:42 |  #5715

tonylong wrote in post #16226471 (external link)
Pretty impressive, Lobowski!

Z0RR0 wrote in post #16227128 (external link)
That last one looks fantastic even without the whole "had to shoot against the sun" taken into consideration.

LOL! I'm just noticing that their helmets say "SUN". Oh the irony.

Thank you Tony!
Lol - yes Zorro, they're the Okanagan Sun - ironic indeed! Out of those 3 photos posted on FB - the last one received all the "Likes" the other 2 none. :)


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