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40mm 2.8 pancake vs. 50mm 1.8 II

 
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Aug 19, 2013 07:13 |  #16

50mm is in the classical 'short tele' portrait FL on a crop, whereas 40mm is more like a 'normal' lens, so usage is quite different. The two copies of 50mm I had were perfectly usable starting at f2.2, so the lens is substantially better for isolating the subject tnan the 40mm (both because of smaller f-number and longer FL) - blur stronger by a factor of 2. Again, this is a strong plus for a portrait lens. I also liked a lot 50/1.8 for studio work - nice portrait FL, super sharp at studio f-numbers (f5.6 - f11).


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Aug 19, 2013 10:33 |  #17

NCHANT wrote in post #16219810 (external link)
The 40mm is one of my favourite lenses :) results are always good - but I kept my 50 ƒ1.8 for lower light situations.

Here's some sample shots of my 600D and 6D with the 40mm: http://www.flickr.com …k/sets/72157632​805944355/ (external link)

Those are good. Thanks!


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Aug 19, 2013 10:34 |  #18

pulsar123 wrote in post #16220726 (external link)
50mm is in the classical 'short tele' portrait FL on a crop, whereas 40mm is more like a 'normal' lens, so usage is quite different. The two copies of 50mm I had were perfectly usable starting at f2.2, so the lens is substantially better for isolating the subject tnan the 40mm (both because of smaller f-number and longer FL) - blur stronger by a factor of 2. Again, this is a strong plus for a portrait lens. I also liked a lot 50/1.8 for studio work - nice portrait FL, super sharp at studio f-numbers (f5.6 - f11).

I don't really do any studio work right now. Thanks for the info!


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Aug 20, 2013 03:33 |  #19

Jarvis Creative Studios wrote in post #16216831 (external link)
I have a 50mm 1.8 II. Has absolutely amazing image quality. Lately though, I've been hearing a lot of people raving about the new 40mm 2.8 STM, some even saying it had L quality glass. Well, as far as simply the glass is concerned, the 50mm would also be L quality.

I've kind of wanted the 40mm for a few reasons: 1. It's slightly wider than the 50mm, although not much. 2. It can be carried in a pocket, therefore you can have 2 lenses on walkabout without carrying a bag. 3. Metal mount and small size lead to a longer life expectancy than the 50mm.

Concerns: 1. How good is it at 2.8? (the 50 is weakest at 1.8 but is very good by 2.8) I've heard it sometimes vignettes bad, is this true?

There is no reason for me to keep both of these lenses, since their focal length is so close. LMK what you think.

I had the 50mm1.8, for a week, tried the 40mm sold the 50mm
Stunning pictures for the money. Total no brainer, especially noise and build wise (think Mercedes C Class verses Ford focus.
Its also apparently brilliant for Video - personally not tried it doing Video, but if you do might be a point.


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Aug 21, 2013 07:30 |  #20

Just get it :) here's a shot from today with the 40:

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Aug 21, 2013 09:30 |  #21

The 40mm is sharp right from wide open.
I had an EF 35mm f/2 as my main prime lens and got an EF 40 f/2.8 STM as they're pretty cheap.

The 35 maybe faster, but for image quality alone I sold the 35 and kept the 40.


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Aug 21, 2013 10:37 |  #22

Just to chime in - Iv owned it for a few days - other than the fact its my only prime thats not f1.4 I cannot fault it in any way.

Seriously...Its near perfect.

Super light, Super small, super cheap, AF quite fast, high IQ and on FF i find it more usable than my 50mm sigma.

Its the cheapest lens I use and I feel ill probably get more use out of it then any lens I own.


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Aug 21, 2013 10:58 |  #23

It's great lens and my favourite with 5D. Cheap,sharp, qucik AF.




  
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Aug 21, 2013 12:00 as a reply to  @ So Seductive's post |  #24

I bought the 40 shortly after it came out and I have to say the 50 has sat on the shelf ever since. I finally sold the 50 a couple weeks ago to a co-worker who wanted to by it.

I for one have a Sigma 30 1.4 and and 85 1.8 so I have other options for low light. The 50 was never great at low light just due to the fact the AF is not very good.


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Aug 21, 2013 12:06 |  #25

So do you think the 40 meets most low light needs? The Sigma 30 has been on my wishlist for a long time, but I picked up the 40 instead because I got a good deal on it. Now I think the 30 is just too similar of a FL.


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Aug 21, 2013 12:27 |  #26

I bought the 50/1.8 instead of the pancake because I often shoot available light even though 40mm is a bit more flexible. Too bad they don't make a 40mm f/2 AF lens.


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Aug 21, 2013 17:06 |  #27

rdmello wrote in post #16227663 (external link)
So do you think the 40 meets most low light needs?

No, if you're on a crop you're limited to about ISO 3200, and may occasionally need more than f2.8 for low light shooting. Additionally you have more DOF, so faster apertures are more useful. The 40mm makes more sense for a full frame camera, and it performs as well as my 24-70mm II 2.8 at 40mm. It is a great lens.


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Aug 21, 2013 17:40 |  #28

Mornnb wrote in post #16228448 (external link)
The 40mm makes more sense for a full frame camera, and it performs as well as my 24-70mm II 2.8 at 40mm. It is a great lens.

I agree - On a crop I wouldn't find 40mm that useful. On FF im liking it more than my 50mm as its just a little wider, but not so wide that things become distorted.

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I also feel this would make a great street lens - its certainly my goto lens for taking shots of kids.

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that said though...Still not sure it would replace my 50mm. Only time will tell I suppose :)

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Aug 22, 2013 06:59 |  #29

pulsar123 wrote in post #16220726 (external link)
50mm is in the classical 'short tele' portrait FL on a crop, whereas 40mm is more like a 'normal' lens, so usage is quite different. The two copies of 50mm I had were perfectly usable starting at f2.2, so the lens is substantially better for isolating the subject tnan the 40mm (both because of smaller f-number and longer FL) - blur stronger by a factor of 2. Again, this is a strong plus for a portrait lens. I also liked a lot 50/1.8 for studio work - nice portrait FL, super sharp at studio f-numbers (f5.6 - f11).

I agree, different lens for different uses. But they are inexpensive so why not have both




  
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Aug 22, 2013 07:27 |  #30

I have both. Both are great lenses, but I do think the 40mm focuses faster. I use the 50mm for specific types of photography (product, food, other "still" objects for my blog). The 40mm is what I keep on my camera day to day and while out and about, because of how great it is and the size.


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