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lots of 6D's for sale why?

 
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Aug 25, 2013 22:25 |  #106

kin2son wrote in post #16239879 (external link)
I never said others thinking otherwise is wrong.

Well as an serious enthusiast (I believe you are as well) I like to produce photos that have maximum sharpness and noise-free (that pretty much means < ISO800 on my 5D3 for me), and because I don't shoot for money, I have the freedom to choose when and where I shoot to achieve that.

Otoh I can understand some paid pros who will have no choice but to continue to shoot in low light + high ISO situation such as dark venues/churches etc just because they have to 'get that shot'. Not in my situation thou.

That's just my personal experience, YMMV!

Fair enough, I just don't understand why you would limit yourself like that, especially if you're not selling your photos. I usually don't print my photos bigger than 8x10, but I do have a 20x30 on my wall that I took in Munich with a 20D at ISO1600 and literally everyone who's seen it loves it, including myself. Sometimes those higher ISO's are just necessary, and when they are the 6D and 5DIII are life savers.

An example at ISO12,800. This shot was used in a program for their next event

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Is it a little grainy? Sure, but unless you're a photographer or are viewing it at HUGE sizes there is no way you'd really notice. The average person doesn't look at a photo and scrutinize over noise or sharpness, they care about the content of the photo (which is what photography is about).

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Aug 25, 2013 22:45 |  #107

For what I shoot I have seen if light is good, high ISO gives nice outcome. If light is bad, no amount of high ISO helps. This is just my experience. I don't take shots for taking shots purposes only. Here is ISO3200 on 6d and 35L taken indoors with light coming from open window. Now if same shot taken later at night at ISO6400 or higher it will look crap IMHO.

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No problem printing this say 20x30 or higher.

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Aug 26, 2013 00:32 |  #108
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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16239884 (external link)
Fair enough, I just don't understand why you would limit yourself like that, especially if you're not selling your photos. Sometimes those higher ISO's are just necessary, and when they are the 6D and 5DIII are life savers.)

Tbh with you I don't think I'm limiting myself as I just like to 'pick' my shots. Of course I do shoot and use high ISO once in a while, but just not very often. Even with my 5D3, I'm not satisfied with shots > ISO800.

Although I don't shoot professionally per se, I have over 90+ photos (and counting!) on my flickr stream which have been selected by Getty Images and are making sales. So I like to keep my stream as high quality as possible.

Also I used to only post what I considered to be "Explore" material.

The average person doesn't look at a photo and scrutinize over noise or sharpness, they care about the content of the photo (which is what photography is about).

But we aren't average person, orelse we wouldn't be spending so much on photographic gear :p

I take photos mainly to pleasure myself, not others ;)

Oh back on topic, 5D2 or 6D? 100% 6D for me :)


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Aug 26, 2013 00:44 |  #109

photography By Evangelos wrote in post #16232999 (external link)
Just my observation but it seems like allot of Canon 6D DSLR’s have come up for sale in the for sale section (it’s been quite noticeable) Wonder why? It’s really kind of new. The reason I noticed this is because I purchased a few items and sold a few items. I decided to forgo the 6D and get a good deal on a used 5D Mark II because I need 1/8000 VS the 6D’s 1/4000 shutter speed. I know many say you just don’t need it but I find myself needing this simple shutter function/ability all the time. Having had first Canon DSLR D30 and everyone since I decided it was time for a full frame experience. So far I am absolutely blown away at the ISO performance of the 5D Mark II it’s outstanding and usable! Plus my 50MM is 50MM once again (rejoice “L” lenses) and that’s alone is worth the price of admission.

I wound up paying $1400 for the 5D Mark II that has only 8340 actuations and a warranty until 2015 figured I could not go wrong at that price. What do you think?:confused:

Guess the question remains what would you have done? Gotten the latest and greatest 6D or a good used 5D Mark II?

This seems to be an obvious decision for you based on your shutter speed needs. Do you really need to read pages of pro and con posts to somehow validate what clearly works best for you?


  
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Aug 26, 2013 01:43 |  #110

kin2son wrote in post #16239879 (external link)
Oh well maybe I just have higher expectation than some...YMMV!

Well, let's say I wouldn't want you to cover a Le Mans 24-hours race - you'd spend much too much time packed up and waiting for light :p


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Aug 26, 2013 06:16 |  #111

wisdom2thewise wrote in post #16235524 (external link)
I'm considering of selling my 6d camera and kit lens for the 5d3. How much do you reckon I should get for it? (5 months Australian warranty left).

How's $2400 for the combined price of the two?


Sold my first DSLR & lens = 6D (24-105L) & (40)
Now what prime should i get with the 7d mark ii?...

  
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Aug 26, 2013 09:22 |  #112

pwm2 wrote in post #16240235 (external link)
Well, let's say I wouldn't want you to cover a Le Mans 24-hours race - you'd spend much too much time packed up and waiting for light :p

Sure, but what I'm reading is that he is choosing a personal look and signature for his images and one aspect is that his images are squeaky clean. He isn't on assignment shooting in the dark, he is choosing/making situations that facilitate creating his signature look. Not different than controlling light level in a studio to always shoot at ISO100. FWIW, squeaky clean is a strong point for stock photography.

In any case, I'm crazy happy with my 6D. Made pix of my family playing laser tag in near dark and shots up to 3200 look great. Not squeaky clean stock photo perfect great, but waaaay cleaner than I used to get with my APS-C camera.


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Aug 26, 2013 12:57 |  #113

Gobeatty wrote in post #16240873 (external link)
Sure, but what I'm reading is that he is choosing a personal look and signature for his images and one aspect is that his images are squeaky clean. He isn't on assignment shooting in the dark, he is choosing/making situations that facilitate creating his signature look. Not different than controlling light level in a studio to always shoot at ISO100. FWIW, squeaky clean is a strong point for stock photography.

In any case, I'm crazy happy with my 6D. Made pix of my family playing laser tag in near dark and shots up to 3200 look great. Not squeaky clean stock photo perfect great, but waaaay cleaner than I used to get with my APS-C camera.

Correct - but he is also missing lots of nice things out there waiting to be photographed. Sometimes it is so much better to take the camera and push it to the limits and get home with photos of a type never tried before.


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Aug 26, 2013 14:11 |  #114

pwm2 wrote in post #16241479 (external link)
Correct - but he is also missing lots of nice things out there waiting to be photographed. Sometimes it is so much better to take the camera and push it to the limits and get home with photos of a type never tried before.

I'm with ya. And I really have no fear with the 6D. My last camera would give horrific results at times and it was affecting my choices of what to shoot.


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Aug 26, 2013 16:56 |  #115

kin2son wrote in post #16239808 (external link)
Personally I take AF anyday over negligible IQ difference. Besides IQ mainly comes from lens, and I can't help but seeing many 6D owners rocking the kit 24-105 which negates any advantage anyway.

Ohh I sold the 24-105mm, hated it. Mediocre lens with way too much distortion. Loving the 24-70mm II 2.8.

Lighter/smaller body? Pft if that's what I care about I would have dumped all my gear and went mirrorless by now

There's not many great mirrorless options. Sony has a full frame mirrorless but few good lens options. Leica has great lenses, but costs too much and no AF. One is better off with a lightweight Canon full frame DSLR. Especially now with the 40mm 2.8 pancake.

Couldn't agree more! ISO6400 looks crap on either camera.

Personally ISO1600 disgusts me with my 5D3. Then again I hardly shoot past ISO800 as I pretty much pack my camera away if the light sucks.


Nonsense. There are many situations where I find ISO 6400 essential. Such as shooting band performances at pubs in Kings Cross and Surry Hills. And night time events such as Chinese New Year and the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras.
Subject matters the most. And dim lighting is not the same as bad lighting.


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Aug 26, 2013 20:34 |  #116

6,400 ISO. Clean enough for me. Keeping it until it breaks.

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Aug 26, 2013 22:13 |  #117

Lucy Brown wrote in post #16235900 (external link)
I came real close to buying a 6D before I bought my 5d3. I know myself and I knew I would sell the 6d and get the 5d3. In the long run I saved money.

Seriously, we can have this battle forever, the 6d is a great camera for what you are paying for. Canon was smart, they put it in that price range to get people going from a crop to a full frame. I would like to ask this question... How many serious pro photogs use a 6d? I am sure that they will say that they use it to take pictures of their kids or something. But on a real shoot, where it counts? A 5d series or a 1d series. 6d is nice but when you have a 5d mark iii? There is no comparison. One of the best features of the mark iii.... silent/touch scroll wheel when doing video. That to me is the reason and many more reasons why the 6d is 1500$ and the mark iii is 3200$. To the original poster again. I think you made a good choice with you 5d mark ii. Enjoy it!




  
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Aug 26, 2013 23:23 |  #118
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EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16239846 (external link)
Pretentious post, is pretentious.

Just because there's not a lot of light, doesn't mean that the light "sucks". But why argue, clearly if it doesn't work for you then it can't work for anyone and anybody who thinks differently from you is obviously wrong.

This.

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Aug 27, 2013 05:27 |  #119

milleniumking wrote in post #16242925 (external link)
Seriously, we can have this battle forever, the 6d is a great camera for what you are paying for. Canon was smart, they put it in that price range to get people going from a crop to a full frame. I would like to ask this question... How many serious pro photogs use a 6d?

If you're not shooting action the 6D will do a great job. If you are shooting action you're better off with a 1DX. So I see the 5D3 as a pointless camera in the middle.
There are some situations where the 5D3 has zero benefit over the 6D and some disadvantages. Such as for pro landscape photographers.


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Aug 27, 2013 05:30 |  #120

milleniumking wrote in post #16242925 (external link)
Seriously, we can have this battle forever, the 6d is a great camera for what you are paying for. Canon was smart, they put it in that price range to get people going from a crop to a full frame. I would like to ask this question... How many serious pro photogs use a 6d?

Obviously. Only the 6D jihadists think otherwise.


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