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Sep 02, 2013 20:53 |  #1996

There is also the printer deal, debating if I really need the printer.
Im about to place my order and trying to find the best deal, anyone have any insight on who is offering the best deal? Im mainly looking for body only, but may pick up one of the STM lens for the silent AF


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Sep 02, 2013 20:59 |  #1997

Install the SlickDeals app, or go to their website and see if you can find better prices. Keep in mind, if they aren't Canon certified, it's more a *gamble* with it.

Adorama and B&H are your best bets IMO. And most of the time no tax.


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Sep 03, 2013 12:26 |  #1998

According to the latest readings over at DxOMark, the website’s exhaustive lab tests are stating that Canon’s new 70D is just a tad better than the previous 60D and the flagship 7D in terms of sensor performance. And where this all seems to really count is in the high ISO performance with some variance in the dynamic range. A post on Reddit showcases a Canon user who is angry about this as Nikon’s newer cameras always outperform its predecessors by far.

So what does this actually mean in real life? Well, if you’re not going to use Canon’s new Dual Pixel AF for video recording and instead just going to take still images, you’re probably just going to get better high ISO performance over any of the other options. The 7D is still better for mostly everything else, though the 70D does have the 7D’s autofocusing.

After the jump, check out the comparison against the aging 5D Mk II and the 100D, otherwise known as the SL1.


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Sep 03, 2013 12:56 |  #1999

burnet44 wrote in post #16264399 (external link)
though the 70D does have the 7D’s autofocusing.

No it doesn't.

It lacks two of the 7Ds AF modes (Expansion and Spot) and it lacks a dedicated AF processor to speed everything up.

It just happens to have the same number of AF points.


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Sep 03, 2013 13:03 |  #2000

hollis_f wrote in post #16264494 (external link)
...It just happens to have the same number of AF points.

But, you should know by now, Frank, that the number of AF points + the number of those that are "cross"type is the be-all and end-all of how to judge AF technology on this board! ;):lol:


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Sep 03, 2013 13:43 |  #2001

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Sep 03, 2013 14:13 |  #2002

http://www.cameralabs.​com …non_EOS_70D/ver​dict.shtml (external link)


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Sep 03, 2013 18:26 |  #2003

burnet44 wrote in post #16264399 (external link)
The 7D is still better for mostly everything else, though the 70D does have the 7D’s autofocusing.

Wrong, and more wrong. The correct statement is:
"The 7D is better at certain types of autofocus and the 70D is better for mostly everything else."


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Sep 03, 2013 18:31 |  #2004

cool camera


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Sep 03, 2013 19:43 |  #2005

On backorder at adorama. Canceled my order there and placed with B&H. Should be here by the end of the week. Can't wait to get my hands on it.


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Sep 03, 2013 22:44 |  #2006

FYI for those of you looking to pick up a 70D - it looks like Amazon finally has stock of both lens kits and the body only option. They're offering 4% rewards as well. (Rewards = Amazon credit)


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Sep 03, 2013 23:12 |  #2007

burnet44 wrote in post #16264399 (external link)
According to the latest readings over at DxOMark, the website’s exhaustive lab tests are stating that Canon’s new 70D is just a tad better than the previous 60D and the flagship 7D in terms of sensor performance. And where this all seems to really count is in the high ISO performance with some variance in the dynamic range. A post on Reddit showcases a Canon user who is angry about this as Nikon’s newer cameras always outperform its predecessors by far.

So what does this actually mean in real life? Well, if you’re not going to use Canon’s new Dual Pixel AF for video recording and instead just going to take still images, you’re probably just going to get better high ISO performance over any of the other options. The 7D is still better for mostly everything else, though the 70D does have the 7D’s autofocusing.

After the jump, check out the comparison against the aging 5D Mk II and the 100D, otherwise known as the SL1.

Nikon is a slave to Sony's sensors, which are quite nice this generation. But it's not like Nikon innovates in the sensor space, they just wrap a sensor they buy around their shell and software, which IMO is less inutitive than Canon. Also one gearhead's rant about the technical details of a sensor doesn't necessarily reflect the opinions of everyone. 95% of the target market for the 70D has probably not heard about dynamic range and they don't care to.

So far I am quite happy with the camera. I am a casual user and taking hours to lift shadows and worry about the edges of the DR is just not something I care about. The 70D is about wrapping up a lot of features into a multipurpose package, and I think it pulls it off really well.


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Sep 04, 2013 02:32 |  #2008

Keyan wrote in post #16266219 (external link)
Nikon is a slave to Sony's sensors, which are quite nice this generation. But it's not like Nikon innovates in the sensor space, they just wrap a sensor they buy around their shell and software, which IMO is less inutitive than Canon.

If this were strictly the case, then Nikon's cameras should get identical performance to Sony's in the sensor department, if not actually be worse (why would Sony give competitors better sensors than their own, or even put them on an equal footing for that matter?).

But they don't seem to, even for full frame. For instance, the Nikon D600 kills the Sony Alpha 99 at high ISO performance, and though the dynamic range and color depth figures are similar, the Nikon still beats the Alpha slightly. They were released one day apart and are both full frame cameras.

No, I have to conclude that while Nikon may be making use of some of Sony's patents in terms of the sensor, and may be using Sony to fab the sensors, the design is still Nikon's.

Also one gearhead's rant about the technical details of a sensor doesn't necessarily reflect the opinions of everyone. 95% of the target market for the 70D has probably not heard about dynamic range and they don't care to.

This is absolutely true. How often have we heard the fallacy that "if you're pushing your shadows that much, then you didn't expose properly!" ? Since that is precisely how you make use of the full dynamic range of the camera, those who repeat that fallacy clearly have no idea what dynamic range really is, much less how to make use of what their camera supplies.

The 70D is better at dynamic range than the 7D. That's not so much because the raw dynamic range figures are any better, but because the sensor is clean in the deep shadows at base ISO, which isn't the case for the 7D's sensor (you get banding in the very deep shadows with the 7D).

So far I am quite happy with the camera. I am a casual user and taking hours to lift shadows and worry about the edges of the DR is just not something I care about. The 70D is about wrapping up a lot of features into a multipurpose package, and I think it pulls it off really well.

Any modern Canon camera is really an excellent package that is capable of taking outstanding photographs. These days, the camera is generally not going to be the limiting factor, particularly once you start talking about cameras with autofocus systems like what's in the 70D and 7D.


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Sep 04, 2013 07:08 |  #2009

That's all ideal and stuff, but nonetheless as a bit of tech enthusiast there are people who want good value for their money. There are a lot of people who would happily pay for say a 7D with updated Digic/software and sensor similar to the high standards set in say a D7000/D7100. Ofcourse Canon still "wins" in some respects as many have given up waiting and forked out for a 5D3.

Personally, I want more IQ increase for the cost, given it has been 4~5 years. Camera is still a piece of technology. You could buy a 4 year old computer and still do your documents and surf the net fine? A fast computer isn't going to write your work reports or your novel (the analogous excuse of the camera not being the bottleneck). That's all understandable, but omits the fact that for most people, money does not grow on trees. I can handle the current ISO noise and DR ... that doesn't mean I'll fork over my hard earned for pretty much the same thing.

hehe funnily enough I could've used that Live phase AF today. Tried shooting low on the grass but alas small moving subjects made AF Quick not useable, and contrast detect as we all know ... bleh!


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Sep 04, 2013 09:40 |  #2010

Hello
I am new here . I own a 450 D and i have had this for about 4 years . I really want to upgrade as I have kind of marginally improved and I am understanding a lot of about light and other technicalities. Last month I was gifted a fab new lens SIGMA 10-20mm and it is really nice . The 450D came with the standard 18-55mm and since I complained so much about how standard these lens were I was gifted this great lens last month . I also own a Canon 80-200mm lens which I picked up from EBAY ages ago .
Now I have regained my confidence and interest in photography . I would like to sell my Canon 450 D now and either buy 70 D or another Canon better than this. The question I want to ask you is : If I buy a 70D or 60D will my SIGMA lens 10-20 mm and the other 80-200mm be compatible ? Will I be able to use the original 18-55mm with the new body . I haven't yet been to a camera shop to find out but would like to ask your opinion .Please help here as I am rather confused too ..
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