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Sep 05, 2013 09:04 |  #16

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You can still get it for $19.99 for a single application. This is what I subscribed to.

Being someone who loves to pay twice as much as other people, to get half as much, I will get right on that.


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Sep 05, 2013 11:20 as a reply to  @ Dan Marchant's post |  #17

Introductory pricing is usually a trap. The Adobe CC EULA specifies that they can raise prices at any time, and once they have enough users hooked into CC you have to expect that they will.

I am not so sure about Lightroom moving to the CC only. Adobe seems to view individual photographers differently than other customers, and Elements and LR might remain as permanent license options for that reason. Perhaps if CC provides the steady cash flow they want, they will be more willing to provide what might be considered "consumer" products under the old model.


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Sep 05, 2013 12:26 |  #18

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Also I'm new to this cloud thing so I have another question.

Photoshop CC is not a cloud application. It's installed locally, it simply needs an active internet connection to call home periodically and validate the install.

You're essentially renting the software on a month to month basis.


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Sep 05, 2013 14:54 |  #19

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Being someone who loves to pay twice as much as other people, to get half as much, I will get right on that.

I understand the frustration. It would be better if they opened it up to everyone and not have the CS3 requirement but it is what it is.

I look at the $19.95 I pay monthly as a business expense. Ultimately it's a $120 per year difference compared to $9.95 a month plan. That's not a big deal at all for me. I would rather worry about something else than paying $120 extra for CC.




  
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Sep 05, 2013 16:56 |  #20

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Photoshop CC is not a cloud application. It's installed locally, it simply needs an active internet connection to call home periodically and validate the install.

You're essentially renting the software on a month to month basis.

Thanks. Kinda wonder why Adobe would not come up with some way to let licensed CS6 and LR5 users just connect instead of installing it again and requiring to copy over actions, presets, etc.


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Sep 06, 2013 05:42 |  #21

So I've seen that "The Cloud for Photographers" will offer Lightroom and Photoshop for $10/month?


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Sep 06, 2013 06:44 |  #22

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I understand the frustration. It would be better if they opened it up to everyone and not have the CS3 requirement but it is what it is.

Just seems they have totally missed the target.
1. A person who bought CS3 and never paid for any further upgrades and never bought Lightroom gets access to this offer.
2. A person who bought LR 1 and then paid to upgrade to LR 2, 3, 4 and now 5 doesn't get access to the offer.
3. The offer is aimed at Photographers. PS is a digital imaging tool, not specifically a photography tool. Lightroom is specifically a Photography tool. Many of the people who own eligible copies of PS may have little or no interest in Photography. Everyone who owns Lightroom has an interest in Photography. Just seems logical to me that the a "Photography" package should be targeted at/open to the photographers, rather than the digital imaging folks.

I look at the $19.95 I pay monthly as a business expense. Ultimately it's a $120 per year difference compared to $9.95 a month plan. That's not a big deal at all for me. I would rather worry about something else than paying $120 extra for CC.

For me there are two separate issues here...
Renting software is a very smart business move. It helps smooth out cashflow and you get access to expensive software now at a cost of just $20 and by the time you finish paying for it in a years time the cash will be worth less. You will need to pay again next year but the reality is you would probably have bought the next upgrade so no loss there. The fact that you may be paying more in the long run doesn't worry me - the cash-flow benefits still make it a good business move.

What I don't agree with is the view that paying an extra $120 (more than your competitor across town) is a good business move. Worse still it isn't actually $120, because he is getting PS & LR. So to compare you would actually have to pay $120 + the cost of LR more than your competitor to get the same thing. That to me is something a business should be concerned about.

Conclusion
Renting software = good business
Paying more than competitor for less = bad business.


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Sep 06, 2013 07:16 |  #23

Unlike CS6 which marks the end of paying for a license Adobe is still offering this with LR. I guess most people can afford the $150 for LR.

Just to add I started with CS2 and have always up graded right to CS6. That is probably around $700 in upgrades. Started with LR4 and upgraded to 5 but a person who has only CS3 gets the same deal. Not a big deal but you would think Adobe would pro rate that for loyal customers.

If this was my living I'm pretty sure I'd take a serious look at it. Even if Adobe doubles the price in 2015 it is still a write off. I have until December and I'll see what happens. LR is still a stand alone and the day licensed CS6 is no longer getting updates there is always Elements. Of course one day they may pull licensing from LR as well.


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Sep 06, 2013 08:17 |  #24

I subscribe to CC and just got done chatting with Adobe rep. According to him my subscription will automatically change to the "photographers package" I asked to make sure and he said "yes, you are correct. You do not have to do anything, it will be automatic on Sep 17". we will see ;)


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Sep 06, 2013 08:34 |  #25

Keep us updated.


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Sep 06, 2013 08:37 as a reply to  @ digital paradise's post |  #26

Will do. :)


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Sep 07, 2013 07:34 |  #27
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Picture North Carolina wrote in post #16269849 (external link)
The success or failure of Adobe fleeing to the cloud will depend largely upon it's competitors.

If companies like Corel do a good job of upgrading, maintaining, providing support, effective marketing, and maintaining the current pricing structure of apps such as paint shop pro, people will migrate to it and continue to do so.

If they and other competitors do not, Adobe's competitors will continue to be "also rans."

I question why these competitors didn't put in the resources and efforts over the last 10 years to compete against Adobe. Now they want my money when for the last 10 years they didn't make an effort to compete. No thanks, I'd rather give my support to the product that revolutionized digital photography and not to the companies that sit on the ass waiting for an opportune to strike.




  
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Dan Marchant wrote in post #16269969 (external link)
Being someone who loves to pay twice as much as other people, to get half as much, I will get right on that.

Well those other people already paid by purchasing PS and most likely upgrading a few times. Why should you get the same deal as some more loyal customers.




  
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Sep 07, 2013 08:11 |  #29

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Well those other people already paid by purchasing PS and most likely upgrading a few times. Why should you get the same deal as some more loyal customers.

For the same reason that Ford does not give previous owners a better deal (unless it is a special offer) :) I am a previous owner of cs4, 5 and 6. If I want an item I expect to pay whatever the product costs. I am not special or any better than someone that is buying for the first time. We both end up with the same product.


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alann wrote in post #16275800 (external link)
For the same reason that Ford does not give previous owners a better deal (unless it is a special offer) :) I am a previous owner of cs4, 5 and 6. If I want an item I expect to pay whatever the product costs. I am not special or any better than someone that is buying for the first time. We both end up with the same product.

You are wrong here. My Honda dealer does give me a better deal that joe off the street because I've bought 4 cars off him and had my service work done through him. In other words a loyal customer.

Do you not give one of your loyal customers that brings you lots of revenue better deals than a one time never to be seen again customer?

I also get discounts or free nights stays with the hotels I stay at and free flights with the airlines I fly with.

It's called customer loyalty and in many businesses, there is a reward for being a loyal customer. I see nothing wrong with Adobe rewarding their loyal customers




  
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