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Sep 06, 2013 17:05 |  #1

are they really all that good for photographers.. read this

http://rangefinderforu​m.com …hread.php?threa​did=136281 (external link)


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Sep 06, 2013 18:15 |  #2

None of the links in that article or the article it references actually link back to Facebook.

Until such time as I actually see an official statement from Facebook about it, I am going to dismiss this as another hysterical rumour.


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Sep 06, 2013 18:21 |  #3

"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."

I got the email about it and binned it the other day, looks like im deleting everything from my Facebook then!

Here is the link from the email they sent,
http://www.facebook.co​m …ernance/1015316​7395945301 (external link)


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Sep 06, 2013 18:27 |  #4

That was from January, Facebook just announced the proposed changes last week.
Time to plaster watermarks over every facebook photo, sell that.


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Sep 06, 2013 18:33 |  #5

To be honest I don't really worry about it. If someone thinks they can make money selling wedding photos I've shot good luck to them.

Bottom line. Don't post any images to any location you don't have full control of if you want to make money from those pictures.


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Sep 06, 2013 18:36 |  #6

onona wrote in post #16274505 (external link)
None of the links in that article or the article it references actually link back to Facebook.

Until such time as I actually see an official statement from Facebook about it, I am going to dismiss this as another hysterical rumour.

it's here: https://www.facebook.c​om …updates/1015320​0989785301 (external link)

I'm not a legal expert by any means, but it does seem like the guys are RFF are correct. In either case, I just joined FB, and pretty much EXPECTED this type of behavior from them. I watermark EVERY image I post on FB.


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Sep 06, 2013 18:47 |  #7

For me personally...

Pros of using FB:

1) Free word of mouth when I post wedding images on my Facebook page
2) Being able to reduce my advertising budget to nearly zero as a result
3) Booking up completely meaning I don't have to worry about where I'll get bookings from

Cons:

1) Someone may "borrow" a wedding image to try and sell it / use it. However. Even if they do manage it it is income I would have otherwise not earned. So I have lost nothing.
2) I can't really think of another...

As a business posting on Facebook it is a business decision weighing up the pros and cons of a free service.

As an individual posting (I don't post anything I want to sell). And if I'm honest if Facebook did change their terms so they could use people's images I don't have a problem with it. Why? They have a FREE service. No on is forced to use it. Why should the people who use it get something for nothing? That may be controversial but hey... you want it, you should pay for it... even if that is with image rights.


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Sep 06, 2013 18:57 |  #8

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it's here: https://www.facebook.c​om …updates/1015320​0989785301 (external link)

I'm not a legal expert by any means, but it does seem like the guys are RFF are correct.

...correct about what exactly?


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Sep 06, 2013 19:20 |  #9

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...correct about what exactly?

that FB can use your content in connection with selling ads.

maybe use your exif and photo to sell editing software? Misrepresenting your photo somehow? I doubt they can outright sell your photo, but other ways to manipulate.


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Sep 06, 2013 19:42 |  #10

well... just deleted everything...


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Sep 06, 2013 19:54 |  #11

memoriesoftomorrow wrote in post #16274555 (external link)
To be honest I don't really worry about it. If someone thinks they can make money selling wedding photos I've shot good luck to them.

Bottom line. Don't post any images to any location you don't have full control of if you want to make money from those pictures.

This is my take as well. Not just for wedding stuff which I dont do that much of but for fine art and commercial work. I watermark it and if you want it that badly go ahead and steal my 1000 PX image, go for it. Come to me for a 24x36. I put 1% on Facebook and pretty much figure that if its half interesting someone is stealing it somewhere like everything else digital.




  
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Sep 06, 2013 19:56 |  #12

memoriesoftomorrow wrote in post #16274555 (external link)
Bottom line. Don't post any images to any location you don't have full control of if you want to make money from those pictures.

Score. You have to realise that anything you put out on a public forum is free to anyone with the ability to download it no matter what the law says. No matter what the law says.


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Sep 06, 2013 19:57 as a reply to  @ Kronie's post |  #13

Seems somebody photography related is worried about the recent Change

The ASMP put out a post about it

"Beware Facebook's New Terms of Service"

http://asmp.org/fb-tos#.Uip5pdPD-Hv (external link)


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Sep 06, 2013 20:04 |  #14

while anyone could download your images and use them, this is a business we are talking about. They have millions of users that they can exploit and sell personal information and images to other companies that can be used for advertising. I don't need my name/image to show up on some advert.


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Sep 06, 2013 20:07 |  #15

Ratjack wrote in post #16274767 (external link)
while anyone could download your images and use them, this is a business we are talking about. They have millions of users that they can exploit and sell personal information and images to other companies that can be used for advertising. I don't need my name/image to show up on some advert.

See that's why every image I have posted to FB has my watermark on it..let them remove it for advertising please.......pretty please...:D...


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