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Sep 07, 2013 00:56 |  #16

umphotography wrote in post #16274328 (external link)
are they really all that good for photographers.. read this

http://rangefinderforu​m.com …hread.php?threa​did=136281 (external link)

FB is crap, in terms of photography and overall.
RFF.com isn't.

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Sep 07, 2013 01:34 as a reply to  @ kf095's post |  #17

The new terms of service mean that you give permission for FB to use your likeness (profile picture) in/along with advertising content.

1. Take a photo of your friend or family member who isn't on facebook (with their permission).
2. As copyright owner of the image you are free to post it online so post it as your FB profile pic.
3. The TOS reqire that you give permission for them to use YOUR likeness. It doesn't mention anyone else's likeness (and even if it did any such permission you gave wouldn't be legally valid). So if FB then use your profile pic they have just infringed your friends image rights.


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Sep 07, 2013 10:43 |  #18

memoriesoftomorrow wrote in post #16274591 (external link)
1) Someone may "borrow" a wedding image to try and sell it / use it. However, even if they do manage it, it is income I would have otherwise not earned. So I have lost nothing.

This is a point that folks often don't realize when they discuss image theft and "rights grabs". And it is quite true. The vast majority of those who steal images and use them unauthorized would not have paid for them, were they unable to steal the image.

Don't misunderstand me - I am not ok with, or indifferent toward, image theft - I just realize that every time one of my images is stolen, it does not mean a sale was lost.


"Your" and "you're" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"They're", "their", and "there" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"Fare" and "fair" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one. The proper expression is "moot point", NOT "mute point".

  
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Sep 07, 2013 10:47 |  #19

Dan Marchant wrote in post #16275351 (external link)
The new terms of service mean that you give permission for FB to use your likeness (profile picture) in/along with advertising content.

1. Take a photo of your friend or family member who isn't on facebook (with their permission).
2. As copyright owner of the image you are free to post it online so post it as your FB profile pic.
3. The TOS reqire that you give permission for them to use YOUR likeness. It doesn't mention anyone else's likeness (and even if it did any such permission you gave wouldn't be legally valid). So if FB then use your profile pic they have just infringed your friends image rights.

Dan,
I believe that the vast, vast, vast majority of photos on Facebook are not profile photos. The average user has many images posted, and only one of them (at a time) can be a profile photo. So, how do their terms affect all of the photos that are not profile photos?


"Your" and "you're" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"They're", "their", and "there" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one.
"Fare" and "fair" are different words with completely different meanings - please use the correct one. The proper expression is "moot point", NOT "mute point".

  
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Sep 07, 2013 11:36 |  #20

digirebelva wrote in post #16274752 (external link)
Seems somebody photography related is worried about the recent Change

The ASMP put out a post about it

"Beware Facebook's New Terms of Service"

http://asmp.org/fb-tos#.Uip5pdPD-Hv (external link)

Thank you for the link.




  
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Sep 07, 2013 16:06 |  #21

Ratjack wrote in post #16274725 (external link)
well... just deleted everything...

You can't delete anything from Facebook. Once you upload it to their service, they have it for as long as they want. I deleted a photo a few years ago, but bookmarked the photo location. Every so often, I would check to see if it was still up, and every time I checked, it was. I have since had to reformat my computer and lost that bookmark. However, it was several months that that photo was still available online, even though I had deleted it from my profile. Therefore, you can only remove the links to it from your profile, but you can never actually delete it.

Anyone can try it. Delete one of your photos up there now, and see how long it's actually there.


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Sep 09, 2013 17:38 |  #22
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I'm just reading this, no one puts a watermark on their (apart from me) images? Cripes, you know that Facebook has a history of doing things like this




  
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Sep 09, 2013 17:53 |  #23
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But one thing I can't understand is that if facebook says that they are going to use every image on the site in order to monetize the photos, why do they have a copyright claims department? I mean, its totally without need for that department now




  
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Sep 09, 2013 23:30 |  #24

RichSoansPhotos wrote in post #16282951 (external link)
But one thing I can't understand is that if facebook says that they are going to use every image on the site in order to monetize the photos, why do they have a copyright claims department? I mean, its totally without need for that department now

It's not just Facebook. If you see an online "Photo Contest" and read the fine print, you will frequently see that you are signing them over the rights to certain uses of your photograph. This is common. You still retain basic rights, but you are still signing over your pic for those specific uses.


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Sep 09, 2013 23:35 |  #25

RichSoansPhotos wrote in post #16282903 (external link)
I'm just reading this, no one puts a watermark on their (apart from me) images? Cripes, you know that Facebook has a history of doing things like this

Nope. Many of use don't care if FB uses our photos. If I had photos I wanted to sell, I'd have them on my own website, not on FB.


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Sep 10, 2013 00:33 |  #26

Many photo contests don't allow watermarks. And then, people with a bit of Photoshop skills can "zap" those watermarks. But those things aren't what this is about. If you don't want to "sign over" the right for your photos to be used legitimately, well, don't post on Facebook (or another site) without reading the fine print!

And remember, Facebook is free for you to share your stuff, there is no "obligation" for you to use it!


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Sep 10, 2013 03:34 |  #27
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tonylong wrote in post #16283875 (external link)
Many photo contests don't allow watermarks. And then, people with a bit of Photoshop skills can "zap" those watermarks. But those things aren't what this is about. If you don't want to "sign over" the right for your photos to be used legitimately, well, don't post on Facebook (or another site) without reading the fine print!

And remember, Facebook is free for you to share your stuff, there is no "obligation" for you to use it!


I know its free and no obligation to use

I don't put my watermarks on the bottom or right up the top where it can be cropped out




  
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Sep 10, 2013 04:07 |  #28

Luxornv wrote in post #16276787 (external link)
You can't delete anything from Facebook. Once you upload it to their service, they have it for as long as they want. I deleted a photo a few years ago, but bookmarked the photo location. Every so often, I would check to see if it was still up, and every time I checked, it was. I have since had to reformat my computer and lost that bookmark. However, it was several months that that photo was still available online, even though I had deleted it from my profile. Therefore, you can only remove the links to it from your profile, but you can never actually delete it.

Anyone can try it. Delete one of your photos up there now, and see how long it's actually there.

I understand this. But by no longer using their service, I am not agreeing to the terms. So they will not be able to use any of my information.


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Sep 10, 2013 09:26 |  #29

WhenIWake wrote in post #16274538 (external link)
Time to plaster watermarks over every facebook photo, sell that.

bingo.

i'm not going to like explaining it to customers, but suppose I'll come up with a written statement that I'll post to facebook and my website to point clients toward.

ASMP article i read noted that as facebook goes, so go other forms of social media. Expect these types of rules to start going into effect elsewhere.

article: http://asmp.org/fb-tos#.Ui39lBnETan (external link)


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Sep 10, 2013 15:09 |  #30

Tom Reichner wrote in post #16276106 (external link)
Dan,
I believe that the vast, vast, vast majority of photos on Facebook are not profile photos. The average user has many images posted, and only one of them (at a time) can be a profile photo. So, how do their terms affect all of the photos that are not profile photos?

The new terms include using "your content" as well as your profile information/pics. However just as with my silly example above many, if not most photos are going to include people who have not given their permission for their likeness to be used.


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