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Sep 07, 2013 01:45 |  #1

I have noticed this happening quite a lot lately, I post a nice recent shot onto Facebook to replace my cover shot or whatever, and receive a 1 or 2 likes from friends.

Now I run that same shot through Instagram, and within 5 minutes there's 20 likes?

It's sad really that most people these days deem a photograph with Instagram like filters is just awesome, and worthy of more likes and comments, than a nicely shot, well processed original photo.

Do you guys encounter this? I don;t really have a big problem with it, more funny than anything.


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Sep 07, 2013 08:33 |  #2

What's wrong with Instagram filters? I've not yet used it myself but have seen plenty of photos done with it that I liked.

Being a purist over colour defeats the purpose of photography as an artistic medium. Imagine if Vermeer or Turner had stuck to realistic, accurate colour schemes in their paintings instead of opting for a stylistic route.


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Sep 07, 2013 09:20 as a reply to  @ onona's post |  #3

...why use instagram if you dislike it ???




  
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Sep 07, 2013 09:45 as a reply to  @ ONE30's post |  #4

If a photograph looks good, it looks good. Doesn't really make a difference how it got the way it got.

Instagram is just a push of the button? Well, what do you think Photoshop is compared to doing a wet print in a traditional darkroom, or moreover, glass plates out in the field?


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Sep 07, 2013 19:47 |  #5

I never said I disliked Instagram, I just think the effects can be a bit gimmicky - however they produce a VERY low resolution image, which isn't very useful.

The point I mean in this post, is the general public see an Instagram picture as being better than the original picture.


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Sep 07, 2013 20:04 |  #6

I use a Polaroid SX-70 when I want the Instagram effects.


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Sep 08, 2013 04:49 |  #7

I guess I'm one of the small minority who find Instagram garish. Or soft. Or grainy. Or all three.

It was someone on this forum who described Instagram as taking unintentionally crap pictures and making them look intentionally crap. Harsh, but maybe a grain of truth?


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Sep 08, 2013 04:57 |  #8

NCHANT wrote in post #16277268 (external link)
The point I mean in this post, is the general public see an Instagram picture as being better than the original picture.

Who, exactly, is this "general public" of which you speak? You seem to be creating a division between photographers and everyone else, and assuming it's everyone else that likes Instagram.

At the end of the day, an image is what it is. If people like certain kinds of colours and a stylised "look", then so what?

In your original post, you said:

It's sad really that most people these days deem a photograph with Instagram like filters is just awesome, and worthy of more likes and comments, than a nicely shot, well processed original photo.

I haven't seen your work, but maybe your unprocessed photos just look boring? The thing about Instagram is that it adds a stylistic edge which kinda can spruce up an otherwise dull image.


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Sep 08, 2013 06:15 |  #9

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Who, exactly, is this "general public" of which you speak? You seem to be creating a division between photographers and everyone else, and assuming it's everyone else that likes Instagram.

At the end of the day, an image is what it is. If people like certain kinds of colours and a stylised "look", then so what?

In your original post, you said:

I haven't seen your work, but maybe your unprocessed photos just look boring? The thing about Instagram is that it adds a stylistic edge which kinda can spruce up an otherwise dull image.

Thanks, ill take that a a critique as I'm sure you've clicked my Flickr link in my sig.
Sorry if I have hit a nerve...

There is no 'division' that I am making, just an observation.


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Sep 08, 2013 06:42 |  #10

NCHANT wrote in post #16278122 (external link)
Thanks, ill take that a a critique as I'm sure you've clicked my Flickr link in my sig.
Sorry if I have hit a nerve...

There is no 'division' that I am making, just an observation.

I haven't seen your work. Why the assumption? I actually have signatures hidden in my options as I find all the bragging about gear signatures tedious, and all the little red Ls are distracting.

You haven't hit a nerve at all. I just find this elitism about things like Instagram bizarre. It's all this focus on cameras and technique and not about the final image. Sometimes strong stylistic filtering does improve photos, and the fact that a lot of people like them does go to show that they're effective.


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Sep 08, 2013 10:16 |  #11

Hey, I have an idea!

How about posting a "Before Instagram" and "After Instagram" pics and tell us what you like and don't like?!:)


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Sep 08, 2013 10:31 |  #12

I'm torn on the whole end result image V the creative route taken to make the image thing. I think that as photographers we see the whole process from start to finish as a journey. Maybe we like to take that journey slowly so that the end result seems more rewarding. While a camera phone pic ran through instagram might look like a short cut. And a bit of an easy one at that.

The way I rationalise it is this : If I spend time organising the elements in my shot, then work on my exposure and lighting, then spend some time in post processing getting it perfect, then I have had a journey and learned something new. If I took a shot then ran it through a filter and people liked the image, I'd be asking myself why they liked it and if any of that was down to my work or the filter's. And did I learn anything out of it, or even more so, will it help me make better images next time?

Personally and on balance I prefer shots people have put work into with some kind of vision beforehand as opposed to stuff that has just been filtered to make it look cool.


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Sep 08, 2013 10:47 |  #13

I can't say i have noticed anything like that, but then i do keep the real photographs separated from the more toyphotographs by Instagram completly and i have a different audience for both types of photos. Instagram is only for my cellphone photos, no real photos are ever going to be ruined by it.

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Sep 08, 2013 13:36 |  #14

Pat McGuire wrote in post #16278580 (external link)
I'm torn on the whole end result image V the creative route taken to make the image thing. I think that as photographers we see the whole process from start to finish as a journey. Maybe we like to take that journey slowly so that the end result seems more rewarding. While a camera phone pic ran through instagram might look like a short cut. And a bit of an easy one at that.

The way I rationalise it is this : If I spend time organising the elements in my shot, then work on my exposure and lighting, then spend some time in post processing getting it perfect, then I have had a journey and learned something new. If I took a shot then ran it through a filter and people liked the image, I'd be asking myself why they liked it and if any of that was down to my work or the filter's. And did I learn anything out of it, or even more so, will it help me make better images next time?

Personally and on balance I prefer shots people have put work into with some kind of vision beforehand as opposed to stuff that has just been filtered to make it look cool.

But why does the process ultimately matter at all? What you're describing doesn't really justify the kind of derision with which Instagram is often regarded. To me, the only thing that matters is the final image: is it good, or not? If it's good, I just couldn't possibly care less about how it was shot, I just care about the end result. And if it isn't good, then I don't care because it just doesn't matter.

But then I find a lot of attitudes in the photography world difficult to wrap my head around, like the obsession with gear. Again, I care about the photos, not the equipment used to take them. It's not that the gear is completely irrelevant, but I think gear is only worth discussing when there's a technical fault or some other issue that needs resolving. Other than that, it's simply a tool used to capture an image. Much like Instagram is just a tool.


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Sep 08, 2013 13:54 |  #15

What is the instagram look? I know this is a generalization, but is it considered stuff thats intentionally lo-fi? I didnt see anything like that in your flickr stream.




  
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