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Sep 09, 2013 09:22 |  #2431

silvrbullet wrote in post #16278678 (external link)
I'm curious to see how this setup works out. Please update us when you get your beauty dish!

I took my 30" umbrella frame octa outside and wasn't able to use it due to the wind. I'm wondering if a beauty dish would be better.

I'll report when I get it, I don't think it's been shipped yet, I think they're a couple weeks behind. I also ordered a double bracket, so I will be able to test with 2 360s in the one dish.


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Sep 09, 2013 10:06 |  #2432

Has anyone done a test of the L4500 battery vs. Quantum Turbo 3?

I shoot Quantum flashes and love my Turbo 3 but I'm curious how the Cheetah battery compares.


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Sep 10, 2013 21:48 |  #2433

Ok phew. Just finished a solid 4 hours of testing. Just to double check the 622s only work with HSS with the Flash in H Mode right? For some reason I thought I had success in regular mode with full power (but only 1/1, nothing less).

Ill post up all my results in next few hours which includes sync settings for using 1/8000 with TT1, TT5, +3's and CL-Tx vs 622's




  
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Sep 10, 2013 23:21 |  #2434

Meddin Studios wrote in post #16286646 (external link)
Ok phew. Just finished a solid 4 hours of testing. Just to double check the 622s only work with HSS with the Flash in H Mode right? For some reason I thought I had success in regular mode with full power (but only 1/1, nothing less).

Ill post up all my results in next few hours which includes sync settings for using 1/8000 with TT1, TT5, +3's and CL-Tx vs 622's

The CLs will work in full power mode in FP-Sync. I haven't tried it with the 622, but it does work with the Cells Iic on my 5DIII.

I have an article describing the testing on www.digifotografi.com (external link)


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Sep 11, 2013 08:25 |  #2435

Excellent write up and some fantastic work. Love the last shot with the sun set.

Doesn't H Mode take a power hit vs regular? It just syncs better from 1/8 up to 1/1 with a proper trigger, right?

I did my testing with primarily 622's and all the PW's (minus the newer X's because I don't think they can support anything above x-sync due to only supporting channels 1-10 of which don't carry control TL info for HS). I think that I'm getting more output with these HS settings than with a cells II and H Mode shooting HSS. The limitation being I can only shoot 1/1 power. However I can roll the shutter as much as I want without needing to change any settings on my PW's or the CL's.

My exposures with regular mode HS Sync with TT1 and TT5 were at least 2 stops brighter than the 622's in H Mode. Probably even more. Last night was all about what settings actually gave me an exposure. Today is all about metering and seeing what has the most output.

TT1>+3 vs TT1>TT5 vs 622's vs TT1>CL-Tx vs CellsII. I know the kings perform same as 622's. I just don't have any Odin's to add to the mix.




  
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Sep 11, 2013 16:40 |  #2436

Meddin Studios wrote in post #16287608 (external link)
Excellent write up and some fantastic work. Love the last shot with the sun set.

Thanks.

Meddin Studios wrote in post #16287608 (external link)
Doesn't H Mode take a power hit vs regular? It just syncs better from 1/8 up to 1/1 with a proper trigger, right?

Yes, H mode, since it does the rapid cycling to extend the flash peak, does have a lower
luminosity. The long burn at full power means that one can take advantage of the full 300Ws (CL-360) with FP sync at fast shutter speeds before switching to H mode.


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Sep 11, 2013 17:06 as a reply to  @ dmward's post |  #2437

IMAGE: http://f.cl.ly/items/3t1w0X0z2v0l1d0a0k1Z/Diff70_1.jpg

IMAGE: http://f.cl.ly/items/2D3b1O402R1r0J153d0k/Diff70_2.jpg

IMAGE: http://f.cl.ly/items/140n1S3l1L1l0P1b0R1M/Diff70_3.jpg

IMAGE: http://f.cl.ly/items/13141J3Y470a0a0P2L0x/Diff70_4.jpg

IMAGE: http://f.cl.ly/items/0L2C0M212I0p1N0f2329/Diff70_5.jpg



  
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Sep 11, 2013 18:17 |  #2438

^^^ Nice!


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Sep 11, 2013 19:52 |  #2439

Awesome! What modifier is that??


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Sep 11, 2013 20:17 |  #2440

http://smdv.nawala.co.​kr …iew.php?itemno=​1373251632 (external link)

http://www.amazon.com …00EJ841DG/ref=p​d_sxp_f_pt (external link)

saw em on the fotodiox site a bit ago


was going to get a 27 eli but was curious about this and doing the mount the same way like I am doing on my softlighter :)
which I posted here
https://photography-on-the.net …=softlighter#po​st16050390
since then I got a plate adapter to give it a little more support
http://www.kupogrip.co​m …mounting-plate-baby-stud/ (external link)

where did you get the speedring ? was going to use one of the QTM somehow I thought :)
also will be curious what ya think of it on build quality etc.. :)


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Sep 11, 2013 20:55 |  #2441

Chad D wrote in post #16289546 (external link)
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where did you get the speedring ? was going to use one of the QTM somehow I thought :)
also will be curious what ya think of it on build quality etc.. :)

The Quantum/Godox/Lumedyne​/Norman adapter doesn't seem to be advertised anywhere. I only knew it existed because I came across this image:

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It's the DA-03 and the Amazon seller you referenced has them.

The adapter itself is quite strong. It's only about 3-1/2 or 4 inches in diameter. It seems to have been something of an afterthought on the part of the manufacturer as installation requires the removal of the standard bracket mounting plate which is held in place by three nearly microscopic screws. Swapping between the standard shoe mount flash configuration and the Quantum/Godox/Cheetah configuration requires considerable care. Lose even one of the tiny screws and you're screwed (so to speak). It isn't a procedure you'd want to perform in the field.

I don't have much to say yet about build quality as the product was delivered to me just this morning. The temptation is to say that, while build quality seems adequate, it isn't commensurate with the price. There's more plastic than metal in the Diffuser-70 but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. It does keep weight down and I was surprised that the accessory mount on my Cheetah CL-360 had no trouble holding this 28-inch diameter modifier securely.

The fabric shell is lightweight but seems up to the task at hand.

I haven't tried the shoe mount flash bracket but I must say it doesn't make the best first impression. It seems strong enough but, again, it's almost all plastic. It's also designed to be SMDV flash trigger friendly. It features an integral AA battery compartment on the back end that powers a compatible SMDV receiver. Two metal tracks embedded in the rail carry the 1.5V to the receiver.

All things considered, the Diffuser-70 is a very appealing product. It has an exoskeleton which opens quickly and closes instantly; it weighs relatively little; it can be fitted with a native Quantum/Cheetah/Lumedy​ne/Norman mount; it's 12-sided so it will produce almost round catchlights; and it's almost as deep as an Elinchrom 70cm Baby Deep Octa.

I'll be doing some testing with it in the days to come.



  
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Sep 11, 2013 21:44 as a reply to  @ tetrode's post |  #2442

Nice soft light; nice round catchlights:

IMAGE: http://f.cl.ly/items/0m453K1j2l2x3L3s2d2I/Diff70_Wilbur.jpg

Diffuser-70 with CL-360 @ 1/16 +.7 power. ISO 400, f/9.



  
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Sep 11, 2013 21:44 |  #2443

Ok thanks :)
Yeah funny I saw that pic on the Korean site and thought wow that is perfect ! And thought hey that is a godox !
My idea was do conversion be done with it :)

The nikonguy from OZ had a video a bit ago of the boxes before the 70 and showed how it popped closed :)

I have a eli 100 was going to get the 70 at some point
But also wanted to get away from adapters and stuff
If I could ?
My old 24 collapsible square box is dead and need a smaller one I can go through doors with for wedding season :) this seems perfect

Had a fotodiox diffuser on a 28 beauty dish but it had that cheap pink cast that can happen :)
My only fear sometimes on cheaper diffusers is that they can be way off temp ?


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Sep 11, 2013 22:26 |  #2444

I played around with a Diffuser 70 at a trade show where someone was displaying it briefly and loved it. The price is what killed it for me because I didn't want to buy into that bracket setup since I was knee deep in Bowens (and bowens to such and such adapters).

That's great with the Quantum ring on there!

My only thing is now in light of the new Phottix boxes I can't pull the trigger on a Diffuser 70.




  
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Sep 11, 2013 22:34 |  #2445

I see things here that I like but I wonder would this kind of mounting put a load that would cause breaking of CL:

IMAGE: http://f.cl.ly/items/140n1S3l1L1l0P1b0R1M/Diff70_3.jpg



  
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