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Sep 16, 2013 00:56 |  #16

If your 1100D can take the abuse, then so should the 70D. Still, it might give you more confidence if it's built sturdier. Can't comment on the other specs, but I see that others have covered that.


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Sep 16, 2013 02:50 |  #17

I've had 2 7D's and now I've got a 70D and I've got to say the 70D is the best crop camera I've used, and that includes a 1D2 and 3. I do miss the spot focus of the 7D, as frank says above it's the best for birds in trees, but after being used to the 1D3 and it's focus points then I'm not having a problem focussing with the 70D. The build quality of the 70D is excellent so it should cope with the abuse you give your 1100D without a problem. The articulating touchscreen is also excellent for macro and yes, you can link it up to a smart phone to shoot wirelessly. I haven't used it outside yet but it works very well indoors and only takes a few minutes to set up.


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Sep 16, 2013 04:37 as a reply to  @ post 16299840 |  #18

I tested them both out, 70D doesnt feel as "bulletproof" as 7D. Flippy screen was good, but it realy felt like its not gonna last for too long.

In my opinion, 7D is still king of APS-C, but I might actualy go for 6D instead, because 7D is older technology. 6D would also have more sensitive AF and way hinger ISO tolerance. I also have one APS-C body (1100D) wich I can use aswell.

Anyways, thanks to all who helped. :)


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Sep 16, 2013 09:06 |  #19
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Photo123abc wrote in post #16300110 (external link)
I tested them both out, 70D doesnt feel as "bulletproof" as 7D. Flippy screen was good, but it realy felt like its not gonna last for too long.

In my opinion, 7D is still king of APS-C, but I might actualy go for 6D instead, because 7D is older technology. 6D would also have more sensitive AF and way hinger ISO tolerance. I also have one APS-C body (1100D) wich I can use aswell.

Anyways, thanks to all who helped. :)

I think that depends on your definition of "way higher". Realistically, you will get less than 2 stops improvement. POTN member TeamSpeed is the unchallenged king of high ISO around here, and that is his conclusion, not mine. Depending on what lens you are shooting, just buying faster glass can get you two stops lower ISO.

I have a 60D. I find the AF (f/2.8 dual-cross center, 8 peripheral cross) system to be quite adequate for what I do. The single cross (not dual-cross) f/2.8 at the center of the 6D may be more sensitive in low light. It is the decent light situations that scare me.

Sometimes I think about upgrading my 5D. If I do, I think I would want a camera that is at least as good at generally everything as the 60D is. For right now, I think the 5DIII is the only body that fills that bill.

The 6D's AF system concerns me. If you are not sure it will work for you, consider renting one first.


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Sep 16, 2013 10:01 |  #20

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If your 1100D can take the abuse, then so should the 70D. Still, it might give you more confidence if it's built sturdier. Can't comment on the other specs, but I see that others have covered that.

Well, it realy is 100% plastic, and I feel afraid if its gonna take a hit. Thats why I want "bulletproof" camera, so I dont have to worry too much about it. ;)


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Sep 16, 2013 10:07 |  #21
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Photo123abc wrote in post #16300632 (external link)
Well, it realy is 100% plastic, and I feel afraid if its gonna take a hit. Thats why I want "bulletproof" camera, so I dont have to worry too much about it. ;)

The Boeing 767 Dreamliner is plastic. Bulletproof vests and military helmets are plastic. The turret of an M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank is plastic, coated with depleted uranium. What was the problem, again?


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Sep 16, 2013 11:32 |  #22

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Single Point Expansion is very useful if, like me, you're not great at keeping the single AF point on a flying bird. If it does slip off then the AF system will check to see if one of the neighbouring AF points has got the bird - and switch to that point.

AI Servo with All Points mode active on the 70D does this as well - when the bird slides out of the center (or other manually selected start point) it will follow it across to other points and the current AF point box(es) change in the viewfinder to tell you which are in use. It works very well for BiF.


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Sep 16, 2013 11:36 |  #23

Photo123abc wrote in post #16300632 (external link)
Well, it realy is 100% plastic, and I feel afraid if its gonna take a hit. Thats why I want "bulletproof" camera, so I dont have to worry too much about it. ;)

I have seen pics of the magnesium bodies cracking open after taking a decent fall.

Bottom line - if a camera falls far enough, and hits wrong, it doesn't matter what it is made of.

I have insurance so I don't worry much about it either :)


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Sep 16, 2013 11:38 |  #24

Photo123abc wrote in post #16300110 (external link)
I tested them both out, 70D doesnt feel as "bulletproof" as 7D. Flippy screen was good, but it realy felt like its not gonna last for too long.

In my opinion, 7D is still king of APS-C, but I might actualy go for 6D instead, because 7D is older technology. 6D would also have more sensitive AF and way hinger ISO tolerance. I also have one APS-C body (1100D) wich I can use aswell.

Anyways, thanks to all who helped. :)

My 60D is 2.5 years old, and the screen is as solid as it was when I got it. Articulated screens have been around for a very long time, I think they have the durability down.


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Sep 16, 2013 12:02 |  #25

Keyan wrote in post #16300861 (external link)
AI Servo with All Points mode active on the 70D does this as well

Not quite.

The difference is that the Single Point + Expansion mode allows you to decide what to focus on. All Points mode means that the camera will choose, and it will pick the closest high-contrast object. That's fine if you're shooting birds against a clear sky, not so good if you've got something closer (like a fence) for the autofocus to lock onto.


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Sep 16, 2013 12:19 |  #26

hollis_f wrote in post #16300937 (external link)
Not quite.

The difference is that the Single Point + Expansion mode allows you to decide what to focus on. All Points mode means that the camera will choose, and it will pick the closest high-contrast object. That's fine if you're shooting birds against a clear sky, not so good if you've got something closer (like a fence) for the autofocus to lock onto.

I don't think that's quite true either actually.
In the 19-point Servo mode, you tell the camera (by selecting one AF point) what to focus on and thus what to track. So even though all 19 points take part in the tracking process, you select the starting AF area by selecting it with one AF point. Then the camera takes it from there. So it is actually different from the one-shot 19 point mode.
I've tried it, works surprisingly well actually.


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Sep 16, 2013 12:52 as a reply to  @ gabebalazs's post |  #27

That's correct. And that's true for the older cameras as well, even if you there always had to start with the center point when using all points in Servo AF.
The issue with using all points is that if there's a lot of other things in the frame, within reach for some of the assisting points, then the probability that the camera selectes the wrong stuff to track once it has lost track of the thing you originally focused on is larger, when it has 18 more options to go to, compared to if there are 2-4, and they all are in the vicinity of the original point you started with.

Single point with expansion is one of the most valuable focus point selection modes in the 7D, when it comes to shooting action, and letting that out of the palette to choose from clearly positions the 70D away from the action genre, compared to the 7D. It may still be better than the 60D, of course.


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Sep 16, 2013 12:53 |  #28

For my BIFs I mostly use Zone AF on my 7D.


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Sep 16, 2013 13:00 as a reply to  @ gabebalazs's post |  #29

Which brings up the issue that zone AF is the only AF mode the 7D has, where the closest point(s) with good contrast are used for initial focusing when using Servo AF, in the same mode as they do when using One Shot AF. The same goes for the 70D, of course, since it does have the zone AF mode.

Now shooting birds flying around, that may even be simpler than using all points, since when using all points you have to get the initial point over the target when you start focusing, or it may take a while before the camera figures out it's the bird you're chasing. But in zone AF, you only need to keep that canary bird within and other stuff outside the zone, and the camera will do the rest.


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Sep 16, 2013 13:00 |  #30
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gabebalazs wrote in post #16301086 (external link)
For my BIFs I mostly use Zone AF on my 7D.

I prefer the Remington 1100.


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