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Multiple Cheetah Lights vs Multiple Canon 600ex Speedlites

 
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Sep 16, 2013 15:57 |  #16

The YN-560 have a very low heat threshold. I don't recommend them for one shooter, let alone two. I'm ditching them as room lights.


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Sep 16, 2013 18:12 |  #17

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Sep 16, 2013 18:23 |  #18

Heat is an issue with speedlights in events (such as weddings). If you still want something like a speedlight, but can handle the heat better, then maybe the Nissin MG8000. I'm debating getting one myself as my go-to portable light for weddings. B&H has a great offer on right now.




  
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Sep 16, 2013 18:29 |  #19

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My ideal situation is to have a flash in each corner of the room during ceremony, first dance, garter toss, etc. (which would be 4 flashes)

My main issue was mainly misfiring, or one going off and the other not. It doesn't help that the 430ex II cannot accept a battery pack since my 580ex II had one. Also, It seemed like the range felt too limited, or people in the way perhaps caused it not to fire.

Because of this, lighting on faces would be inconsistent at times, but rare.

1 light in each corner of the room means that in every photo, you'll have a visible lightstand and flash going off.

Crank your ISO up. You should be at 800 or 1600 at 2.8. At these settings, your flashes shouldn't been working too hard, depending on the size of the room.




  
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Sep 16, 2013 18:55 |  #20

I went from 3 speedlights to 3 Cheetah Lights (2x360 and 1x180), and I don't miss the speedlights at all. I haven't missed the ETTL yet either. Love the Cheetah Lights!


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Sep 16, 2013 20:04 |  #21

ZachOly wrote in post #16301956 (external link)
1 light in each corner of the room means that in every photo, you'll have a visible lightstand and flash going off.

Crank your ISO up. You should be at 800 or 1600 at 2.8. At these settings, your flashes shouldn't been working too hard, depending on the size of the room.

Who says you have to shoot the corners of the room? I routinely use four lights and the majority of my shots don't have my lights in them.


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Sep 16, 2013 20:23 |  #22

jcolman wrote in post #16302200 (external link)
Who says you have to shoot the corners of the room? I routinely use four lights and the majority of my shots don't have my lights in them.

Besides that.... sometimes the flash from the light looks pretty dam good. But back on topic, After reading everything that Tim and Nickson put out, Im finding that strobes are a better way to go for me. If im inside i can always find power. Especially receptions. But if not the vagabond minis do the job well. I dont know what the cheetahs cost but an AB800 and a Mini is a $$$ 518.00 investment. I find that the pocket wizard flexTT5 can trigger these strobes from 60-70 yards away every single time. So 4 lights can be way to much in some reception areas 2-3 lights is always desirable. And with a mini in the camera and a flash to act as some fill,,, im shooting at 200-320 ISO and getting great results. Not sure about the cybersynchs but for me the key is having the ability to get a light in a bracket to fire with the strobes and screw the ambient. i can control everything at that point. Doesnt take that long to figure this out.


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Sep 16, 2013 20:49 |  #23

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Besides that.... sometimes the flash from the light looks pretty dam good. But back on topic, After reading everything that Tim and Nickson put out, Im finding that strobes are a better way to go for me. If im inside i can always find power. Especially receptions. But if not the vagabond minis do the job well. I dont know what the cheetahs cost but an AB800 and a Mini is a $$$ 518.00 investment. I find that the pocket wizard flexTT5 can trigger these strobes from 60-70 yards away every single time. So 4 lights can be way to much in some reception areas 2-3 lights is always desirable. And with a mini in the camera and a flash to act as some fill,,, im shooting at 200-320 ISO and getting great results. Not sure about the cybersynchs but for me the key is having the ability to get a light in a bracket to fire with the strobes and screw the ambient. i can control everything at that point. Doesnt take that long to figure this out.

I like to at least show that other lights are lit. Sconces, ceiling, etc.


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Sep 17, 2013 14:15 |  #24

Thanks to everyone's feedback. I still haven't decided which lighting system to get, although I'm now leaning more towards cheetah lights for power, recycle time and good reputation here.

I thought I had enough time to research since wedding season was about done for me and our next wedding isnt until November, but we just got a last minute request for the 25th! Almost a week!

I wish there was a way I could easily play around with both lighting setups before ordering them but neither of my local rental camera stores carry what I want.

PS - Mr JColeman - appreciate your insight! I saw your thread about your lighting setup for weddings a few weeks ago, and you are really the inspiration for improving my lighting situation for weddings!


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Sep 17, 2013 14:56 |  #25

I just learned the cheetah lights do not have high speed sync without the needed additional accessory, which also makes it a bit cumbersome to carry the remote throughout the wedding. This might be the deal breaker for me....

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Sep 17, 2013 16:30 |  #26

superbad wrote in post #16304393 (external link)
I just learned the cheetah lights do not have high speed sync without the needed additional accessory, which also makes it a bit cumbersome to carry the remote throughout the wedding. This might be the deal breaker for me....

Video i saw:

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=2YxkMeMvzC8 (external link)

You won't need HSS at a reception.

Have you considered just buying 1 Cheeta light? I mean, they can still compliment speedlights. There's no need to invest $3k+ into a system, only to find out you leave them at 1/16 power, and really only use 2.




  
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Sep 17, 2013 18:04 |  #27

superbad wrote in post #16304393 (external link)
I just learned the cheetah lights do not have high speed sync without the needed additional accessory, which also makes it a bit cumbersome to carry the remote throughout the wedding. This might be the deal breaker for me....

Video i saw:

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=2YxkMeMvzC8 (external link)

I can count on two fingers how many times in the past 10 or so weddings, dozens of portraits and a number of engagement and commercial shoots I've needed to use HSS. When I did use it, it's a simple matter of putting the cells transmitter of my hotshot, setting the lights to to HSS mode and firing away.


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Sep 17, 2013 18:19 |  #28

I have 4 600s, 2 CL-180s, 2 CL-360s, and 4 Einstiens.
Which get used for a job depends on the requirements.
I learned how to use ETTL effectively quite awhile ago and use it as my default.
I've used monolights with ETTL speedlites at receptions.
I've used CL-180 or 360 outside when required.
My default is to use the 600s because I can use all in ETTL and control them independently via the Gr mode on a 5DIII.

If money is not a hindrance, get kit that permits you selecting what is best for the job based on the situation for that job.

As an aside, Jim has a favored approach and it works for him, I have a somewhat different approach and it works for me. The truth is that there are usually two or three solutions that work. Then it becomes a matter of which you become most comfortable with.

I would never share speedlites with another photographer. That is definitely means CLs or monolights.
At a reception with higher ISO the power will be set low enough so recycle time becomes a non-issue.

If you go to my wedding website (external link) just about every image in the portfolios has a flash element. Mostly speedlites in ETTL.

The only time I aim a camera mounted speedlite at the subject is outside for fill. Everything inside is bounced.


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