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Sep 11, 2013 19:23 |  #16

Liquid Dark wrote in post #16289018 (external link)
thanks!

it seems that everyone who has had either updated lens is in love with it. Get just the most rave reviews and opinions on both. That is welcome to hear, so seems can't do wrong with either one. A comforting thought.

extenders 1.4
I know that a extender 1.4 will not fit on the t/s e 24mm mk 1.
this might make a difference in which t/s e lens you buy.

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Sep 11, 2013 19:39 |  #17

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I'm surprised no one mentioned Filters yet. Easier to find filters for the 24.

Unless I'm overlooking something, in which case please feel free to correct me.

This is a valid point. It used to be that filters were a no go with the 17mm, but the Fotodiox WonderPana system remedies that. Now we can use CPLs, NDs, and GNDs with the 17mm. But, that system is an added expense compared to the expense of equipping a 24 with filters. That said, for architecture I only like using CPLs (reflection/glare reduction). GNDs, which are often great for landscapes, have limited usability for architecture.

Anyway, good point on the filters Powerslave. :)


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Sep 11, 2013 20:10 |  #18

Once upon a time, Nikon had a 35mm shift lens for architectural work. So did Olympus. 35mm was the typical shift lens FL. Then Olympus also came out with their much wanted 24mm shift lens...Nikon folks even had the OM 24mm PC custom modified to fit their Nikon SLRs. Back then, about 20mm was in 'super wide' somewhat specialist usage. Then 'ultrawide' become very popular for WA in more recent decades.
Fast forward to today...it seems that everyone feels they 'need ultrawide'. So in accordance with that change in general outlook about WA, it makes more sense that a 17mm tilt/shift exists on the market, especially when you think about 17mm on APS-C (about same AOV as 28mm on FF)


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Sep 11, 2013 21:31 |  #19

David Arbogast wrote in post #16289455 (external link)
This is a valid point. It used to be that filters were a no go with the 17mm, but the Fotodiox WonderPana system remedies that. Now we can use CPLs, NDs, and GNDs with the 17mm. But, that system is an added expense compared to the expense of equipping a 24 with filters. That said, for architecture I only like using CPLs (reflection/glare reduction). GNDs, which are often great for landscapes, have limited usability for architecture.

Anyway, good point on the filters Powerslave. :)

I thought I recalled some new way to hook up the 17mm with filters but knew it wouldn't be cheap. I know because I went through that same path myself.

OP, if you're obsessing over the FOV offered by the 17mm over the 24, let me assure you, it's a non issue in a majority of the cases, unless you know you'll be needing it. I shift stitch all the time and it gives, if I recall correctly 14.8mm and 18mm FOV in portrait and landscape mode respectively.

You can also rotate and stitch along multiple axes for the same shot and get a really mega pixel heavy shot as well.

I thought 24 wouldn't be good enough, but with the stitching, it's a non issue. This stitching, by the way, is VERY good due to the nature of shifting. (Pedants stay away with your parallax math :D)

I must also mention that even though I do not have any experience with the 24 mark I, I have heard that the tilt and shift cannot be used independent of each other. I absolutely love the combinations the mark II allows. That's a major functional benefit.

Combined with the superior image quality, and all these other points is why I personally chose mark II over mark I. Don't forget, it's not a sunken cost, you will get it back when you sell it. The only thing that pinches is if you can afford to have that much money sitting in a lens.

Either way, I tried to get rid of mine once due to money, but couldn't part with it as soon as offers came in. :D


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Sep 11, 2013 22:05 as a reply to  @ powerslave's post |  #20

I love my 17mm and often stitch with it because I want wider, but unless you know you are going to do a lot sub-24mm, I think the 24 II is your best bet.

A CPL (actually a linear polarizer) setup for the 17mm cost me ~$750, just to put that into perspective.


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Sep 12, 2013 02:14 |  #21

Try to get a good second hand 24mm TS-E II. This lens is incredible, of course with a learning curve as other tilt shift lenses. And it's so easy to stitch images that this 24mm can be a very wide angle ;)

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Sep 15, 2013 02:21 |  #22

David Arbogast wrote in post #16289041 (external link)
IQ-wise they're both fantastic. The 24 II is better, but windpig's characterization is exactly they way I would put it. Putting the 1.4x on the 17mm absolutely works, but then you are going to lose a bit of sharpness; your IQ will suffer in comparison to the lens without the extender.

Making a recommendation is a real toughy for me. Compositionally and IQ-wise I prefer the 24. With respect to architecture, a 17mm lens is such a wide angle that some people are disturbed/annoyed by the "perspective distortion", whereas a 24mm view looks and feels better. I only shoot with the 17 when I can't pull my scene in with the 24 (small/tight rooms, buildings where you don't have room to pull the camera back, etc.) because the framing/composition is just going to look better. Problem is, I frequently find the 17mm useful.

I have shot shifted panos with the 24 to compensate for its narrower FOV, it's a nice workaround, but there are more limitations in doing that for architecture than for landscapes. For instance, if you're using the shift in the up/down direction to maintain vertical lines (the primary reason for having a tilt-shift for architecture), and you want to do a left-to-right pano, then you're out of luck.

If you can make an order from a retailer with an excellent return policy, then you can buy the lens you think is right for you and return it if you are disatisfied. For instance, you could order then 17mm and do your own tests with the 1.4x to see if you can live with the loss of sharpness.

What I did was start with the 24. If I knew then what I know now (from experience), I would have still started with the 24. But, it's a hard decision and I don't know if you can make a mistake either way.

thanks for all the info David, you have been great!

I am trying hard to stick with the 24mm, my original choice and "gut" instinct to buy

I am looking for sufficient reason not to go with the 17mm

I never want to buy a lens that is not up to all my tasks right out of the box, but at same time want the best quality image. With what I am learning from the wonderful replies to this thread is that I can still do what I want to do with the 24mm and am not really limiting myself by not buying the 17mm


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Sep 15, 2013 02:23 |  #23

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I'm surprised no one mentioned Filters yet. Easier to find filters for the 24.

Unless I'm overlooking something, in which case please feel free to correct me.

great fantastic point! thank you so much for pointing this out!!

you may have saved me a bunch of money!!!!


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Sep 15, 2013 02:23 |  #24

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As usual it ultimately comes down to budget. I picked up a good condition used 24 TS-E Mark I for only $750, which is well less than half the price of the Mark II. For that price, it gets the job done and allows me to afford one or two other lenses. Here are a few recent favs with the Mark I...

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Sep 15, 2013 02:30 |  #25

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OP, if you're obsessing over the FOV offered by the 17mm over the 24, let me assure you, it's a non issue in a majority of the cases, unless you know you'll be needing it. I shift stitch all the time and it gives, if I recall correctly 14.8mm and 18mm FOV in portrait and landscape mode respectively.

You can also rotate and stitch along multiple axes for the same shot and get a really mega pixel heavy shot as well.

I thought 24 wouldn't be good enough, but with the stitching, it's a non issue. This stitching, by the way, is VERY good due to the nature of shifting. (Pedants stay away with your parallax math :D)

THANK YOU!!!!

this is the exact thing I was indeed obsessing over ;)
your answer took care of all my concerns, thank you thank you!
I am quite good at panos and stitching, so that is not a problem in the least

I am going with the 24mm II

I can't thank ALL of you folks enough for all of your wonderfully kind input and suggestions.....

I just love POTN, wow, what a place!


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Sep 15, 2013 15:42 |  #26

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great fantastic point! thank you so much for pointing this out!!

you may have saved me a bunch of money!!!!

This was the main reason I didn't look at the 17 myself.

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THANK YOU!!!!

this is the exact thing I was indeed obsessing over ;)
your answer took care of all my concerns, thank you thank you!
I am quite good at panos and stitching, so that is not a problem in the least

I am going with the 24mm II

I can't thank ALL of you folks enough for all of your wonderfully kind input and suggestions.....

I just love POTN, wow, what a place!

I think I may be off on the exact FOV numbers and I think I got the portrait/landscape backwards while typing in a hurry (recalled reading them somewhere, but they are something along those lines.) Too lazy to do the math. :lol:

You won't be sorry you got this lens at all.

Right now is an even better time to buy it, since it's available at the Canon refurb store (a rare event in itself) and they have a $100 off discount going on.


http://shop.usa.canon.​com …-24mm-f35l-ii-refurbished (external link)

(Refurb store lenses are virtually indistinguishable from new and come with a 1 year warranty from Canon.)


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Sep 16, 2013 08:10 |  #27

Liquid Dark wrote in post #16297399 (external link)
THANK YOU!!!!

this is the exact thing I was indeed obsessing over ;)
your answer took care of all my concerns, thank you thank you!
I am quite good at panos and stitching, so that is not a problem in the least

I am going with the 24mm II

I can't thank ALL of you folks enough for all of your wonderfully kind input and suggestions.....

I just love POTN, wow, what a place!

I got my TSE24(I) exactly to cover "17mm" when I needed it for landscape shots. Saved me some $ as I was pondering over the 17-40L. Stopped down, the images are incredible.


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Sep 17, 2013 18:42 |  #28

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This was the main reason I didn't look at the 17 myself.


I think I may be off on the exact FOV numbers and I think I got the portrait/landscape backwards while typing in a hurry (recalled reading them somewhere, but they are something along those lines.) Too lazy to do the math. :lol:

You won't be sorry you got this lens at all.

Right now is an even better time to buy it, since it's available at the Canon refurb store (a rare event in itself) and they have a $100 off discount going on.


http://shop.usa.canon.​com …-24mm-f35l-ii-refurbished (external link)

(Refurb store lenses are virtually indistinguishable from new and come with a 1 year warranty from Canon.)

thank you so much!!

I monitor Canon's site routinely, and with Canon Price Watch site as well, but the 24 mm is a rare bird so doesn't always show up in the screenings..........
you are correct, it was on sale for $100 off and Free shipping

I got it refurbished for $1,758.76 total, all included price including shipping

Should get here tomorrow

Many thanks to all who helped out in this decision

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Sep 17, 2013 20:03 |  #29

Excellent! Now join in on the TS-E 24II thread ;)

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=701862


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Sep 17, 2013 21:42 |  #30

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Excellent! Now join in on the TS-E 24II thread ;)

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=701862

oh wow....

am I gonna get smart from this thread or what ...............

powerslave, thank you from the bottom of my wallet ;) I mean heart :)


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