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Sep 18, 2013 10:20 as a reply to  @ post 16306443 |  #46

No, the word moot is frequently misused; most people think that a "moot point" is one that cannot be debated (and you'll find this mistake everywhere, even on many reputable sites), when in fact the opposite is true.


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Sep 18, 2013 15:15 |  #47

onona wrote in post #16306139 (external link)
Your repeated refusal to point out the supposed "insult" and the fact that you've now conveniently, repeatedly failed to even acknowledge, let alone even indulge, my requests to point out the other things that you've said I said really just go to show that you're injecting nothing more than hot air into this thread.

Pull the other one, it has bells on it. Your obvious dishonesty is frankly embarrassing.

Same as above. It's almost amusing the way you're puffing your chest out and pretending to be an expert (you evidently missed the point about the word moot if indeed your irrelevant waffling about homonyms was a response to that, again clearly out of your depth - so much for being a language buff, eh?), but it's so painfully clear that you waded into this thread yelling about something you knew absolutely nothing about that it's actually pretty mortifying to watch. Typical anonymous keyboard warrior.

I can see now why you were on my ignore list and regret the time I wasted trying to speak to you, because you're obviously incapable of any kind of reasonable discussion. I'll just go back to not clicking the View button on your posts.

Ha ha! Good for me!

My refusal to answer your obvious pretense and/or baited questions does NOT lend the questions credibility. They are beneath a response.

Did you ever check out a dictionary from 1913 to educate yourself on what a living and evolving language English actually is?

And, if I actually WAS getting my responses from wiki, I would have stuck with your static definition, right??? :rolleyes:


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Sep 18, 2013 15:44 |  #48

So anyways...............​The Falling Man..........documenta​tion of history or media perversion?




  
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Sep 18, 2013 16:43 |  #49

onona wrote in post #16306480 (external link)
No, the word moot is frequently misused; most people think that a "moot point" is one that cannot be debated (and you'll find this mistake everywhere, even on many reputable sites), when in fact the opposite is true.

Only in one of its three common definitions:

moot, adj.
1. open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point.
2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
3. Chiefly Law. not actual; theoretical; hypothetical.

With most people's vocabulary, the use of "moot" is encountered in its third or legal definition, where a lawyer (or TV actor) argues a point is moot.




  
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Sep 18, 2013 16:47 |  #50

flashpoint99 wrote in post #16307300 (external link)
So anyways...............​The Falling Man..........documenta​tion of history or media perversion?

Both.

Is is a documentation of history in that it did in fact happen. From this point of view display of the image and discussion of the same is historical and educational.

It is media perversion when the image is used primarily to sell newspapers and/or air time.




  
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Sep 18, 2013 17:04 |  #51

flashpoint99 wrote in post #16307466 (external link)
This photo was almost never shown again after 9/11/01. 12 years later is it now documentation of a historical event or is the scar still too sensative? Will it ever be ok is some peoples eyes?

It is like any photo of an atrocity. It has a valid place in historical discussion, even though it may forever remain unpleasant to some individuals.

It is much like the famous photo of the napalm-burned girl in Vietnam:
http://abcnews.go.com …rks-its-40th-anniversary/ (external link).

To many, this Pulitzer-winning image clearly demonstrates the atrocity of war. As such, it is striking and evocative.

To some, and I kid you not, it is child pornography because nine year-old Kim Phuc (the girl) was naked.




  
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Sep 18, 2013 17:16 |  #52

20droger wrote in post #16307441 (external link)
Only in one of its three common definitions:

moot, adj.
1. open to discussion or debate; debatable; doubtful: a moot point.
2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic.
3. Chiefly Law. not actual; theoretical; hypothetical.

With most people's vocabulary, the use of "moot" is encountered in its third or legal definition, where a lawyer (or TV actor) argues a point is moot.

No, most people do not use it in the legal sense. Please do a search about this; its frequent misuse is widely documented and discussed on language sites due to the unusually widespread misunderstanding of the word's meaning. The term "moot point" is very commonly misused in all manner of communication.

My point remains; frequent misuse of a term does not necessarily mean the dictionary definition of the word or term changes to reflect it. The fact is that people constantly use terms incorrectly in day to day speech, and claiming that language evolves to include this misuse as legitimate is really little more than a lazy way of allowing people to keep making mistakes with impunity. No wonder the quality of both spoken and written speech is going down the toilet. Another example of this is the constant feeble attempt at justifying many Americans' frequent use of the utterly nonsensical phrase "could care less" when they mean exactly the opposite. They're not cleverly using irony to make a point, they're just not bothering to think about what they're saying.

Anyway, my intent was never to continue this tangent as far as I have, so I'll end my rant there. I originally brought up this topic because I dislike the way people erroneously trot out the politically incorrect card as a convenient catch-all to shut down any ideas they dislike or don't want to debate. It's lazy and counterproductive. The subject of sensationalism and the use of volatile and emotive imagery in the media is absolutely worth debating, so when people attempt to shut down discussion by fobbing opposing views off as politically incorrect, it really bothers me.


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Sep 18, 2013 17:19 |  #53

Two pages of a pretty damn good and constructive debate..

Now it's a tete a tete between two that have found personal insult on the internet ( never happens really! )

I'd like to let this discussion continue.. ie: I won't be closing it to protect it from you two.

So you need to stop.

Thanks in advance.


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Sep 18, 2013 18:06 |  #54

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #16307519 (external link)
Two pages of a pretty damn good and constructive debate..

Now it's a tete a tete between two that have found personal insult on the internet ( never happens really! )

I'd like to let this discussion continue.. ie: I won't be closing it to protect it from you two.

So you need to stop.

Thanks in advance.

Sure, no problem. It is a fantastic argument that words don't change meaning through misuse anyway. ;)


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Sep 19, 2013 00:03 |  #55

Something that kind of got "lost" in this thread:

Besides the "dramatic impact" of the Falling Man photo and the problem of "sensationalism", the article pointed something out that is kind of fascinating:

The article mentioned that it was one of a series of photos, in which the "man" was twisting and distorting in all kinds of positions, but the one we saw showed him falling aligned with the vertical lines of the two towers, something that we photographers can really pay attention to, but at the same time asking ourselves "Why?"!

For example, when I look at that photo as a photographer, I might ponder "interesting, vertical lines", and yet I remember those moments, and I remember people helplessly falling, and so, as a photographer, I might choose a photo of a person in despair, flailing as he/she falls to death...so, what photo would best catch the "moment" without taking unfair advantage of the moment?


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