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Sep 22, 2013 04:41 |  #1

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This is a series of a throwing play. I am aware that #3 horizon is off and I left it that way because if I adjust, my 5x7 ratio crop would cut off too much on the right side of the image. I am open to feedbacks.



  
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Sep 22, 2013 05:47 |  #2

tough lighting. looks like you did what you could.


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Sep 22, 2013 20:22 |  #3

These are extremely under exposed. What equipment are you shooting with? What settings did you have your camera on for these shots?


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Sep 22, 2013 20:55 |  #4

I was using the 70-200mm f/4.0 at 1/250 shutter speed with ISO at 5000 on 5d Mark II.




  
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Sep 22, 2013 21:41 |  #5

Wow these are dark. I thought the pass was headed to 1 but 15 got it and the is a flag on the defender of the non-receiver?


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Sep 23, 2013 09:54 |  #6

SilenceGold wrote in post #16317307 (external link)
I was using the 70-200mm f/4.0 at 1/250 shutter speed with ISO at 5000 on 5d Mark II.

your gonna have a rough go shooting night games with those settings, particularly 4.0 and 1/250. you definitely need something faster.


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Sep 23, 2013 15:00 |  #7

So here's what I'm seeing...

You are going to have to jack up your iso. First, 1/250 isn't fast enough for football, you should be at a minimum 1/640. Noise is better than motion blur.

You also should crop much tighter. If straightening the horizon crops out a player then toss the picture. Neither of these shots would make to cut for me.


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Sep 24, 2013 10:56 |  #8

I do find the watermark/signature to be a little too big


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Sep 24, 2013 15:39 |  #9

ChunkyDA wrote in post #16317390 (external link)
Wow these are dark. I thought the pass was headed to 1 but 15 got it and the is a flag on the defender of the non-receiver?

Yes, it was a pass interference on the defender.

jptsr1 wrote in post #16318351 (external link)
your gonna have a rough go shooting night games with those settings, particularly 4.0 and 1/250. you definitely need something faster.

Yes, I know. It would be nice to have the same lenses with f/2.8 but budget don't call for it yet.

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So here's what I'm seeing...

You are going to have to jack up your iso. First, 1/250 isn't fast enough for football, you should be at a minimum 1/640. Noise is better than motion blur.

You also should crop much tighter. If straightening the horizon crops out a player then toss the picture. Neither of these shots would make to cut for me.

The iso was at 5000 but I did increase the ISO to 6400 for many other pictures that weren't in the light (uneven lightning around the field). I agree with the statement that the motion being frozen would be better than having too much noise. At 1/640 with f/4.0, I would end up with way more darker pictures. I don't think postprocessing would even bring those images back especially when the distant subject is in focus.

I just thought it would be nice to show a series of action.

Here is another picture that I think did best justice:

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jonathanheierle wrote in post #16321348 (external link)
I do find the watermark/signature to be a little too big

I made the watermark/signature to be large and near the action on purpose so parents won't rip it off. I shared it with some parents and few have contacted me for prints. Those prints aren't of those pictures I posted here in this thread. However, there's one request for the print in this same post.

I appreciate all the feedback and believe me, I am considering them all as I am improving. Thanks.




  
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Sep 24, 2013 15:51 |  #10

SilenceGold wrote in post #16322156 (external link)
The iso was at 5000 but I did increase the ISO to 6400 for many other pictures that weren't in the light (uneven lightning around the field). I agree with the statement that the motion being frozen would be better than having too much noise. At 1/640 with f/4.0, I would end up with way more darker pictures. I don't think postprocessing would even bring those images back especially when the distant subject is in focus.

I would crank the ISO on that 5D2 as high as needed to get faster shutter speeds. Noise reduction will be required but that is the nature of the beast with sports in low light.

Here is another picture that I think did best justice:

The focus looks off to me, looks sharpest on the player second from right.

I made the watermark/signature to be large and near the action on purpose so parents won't rip it off. I shared it with some parents and few have contacted me for prints. Those prints aren't of those pictures I posted here in this thread. However, there's one request for the print in this same post.

To be frank, I doubt that shots this underexposed will translate well to print.


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Sep 24, 2013 16:58 |  #11

What metering did you use? In very dark Dance venues I switch to spot metering. I know it is tough when the subjects are moving however with practice you can get very good results.The spot metering will disregard the dark background as long as you stay on point and that will allow for a much faster SS.(now if the players are wearing black)....you have an issue..LOL




  
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Sep 24, 2013 21:08 |  #12

joeblack2022 wrote in post #16322196 (external link)
I would crank the ISO on that 5D2 as high as needed to get faster shutter speeds. Noise reduction will be required but that is the nature of the beast with sports in low light.

The focus looks off to me, looks sharpest on the player second from right.

To be frank, I doubt that shots this underexposed will translate well to print.

You could be right about the focus point - I just looked at the original picture before crop - that player is right in the center of the picture. I had it set as Al Servo with Spot metering with just the center AF point.

That's why I ordered few pictures of this whole football game after dark just to see. It's all new to me for night photography of a football game. I am curious to compare and see how bad it would be.

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What metering did you use? In very dark Dance venues I switch to spot metering. I know it is tough when the subjects are moving however with practice you can get very good results.The spot metering will disregard the dark background as long as you stay on point and that will allow for a much faster SS.(now if the players are wearing black)....you have an issue..LOL

Yes, it was spot metering with center AF point. I would probably try to point at their white pants if they had black or dark colored jersey.

If it matters, I shot in manual mode. With the 1/250 as the shutter speed. I figured that only the ball would be in a blur. High school players aren't that quick compared to college/pros so I figured that if I held the camera steady and took pictures, I might be able to get good results. I have been able to take good sunset pictures handheld at slower shutter speeds because I think I got steady hands. Maybe it is a nice ability for night football?

Also on a side thought, I have been thinking that maybe my monitor isn't properly calibrated although most of those dark pictures don't look underexposed when I am looking at their face? I thought only faces being properly exposed would matter to parents?




  
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Sep 25, 2013 06:01 |  #13

Are you shooting JPEG or RAW? If you are shooting in Raw you can adjust the temperature and exposure settings to get a cleaner picture due to the lights...




  
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Sep 25, 2013 12:27 |  #14

Czbrat271 wrote in post #16323712 (external link)
Are you shooting JPEG or RAW? If you are shooting in Raw you can adjust the temperature and exposure settings to get a cleaner picture due to the lights...

Those are shot in RAW. Yes, I did some work on those pictures.




  
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Sep 26, 2013 20:41 |  #15

Now you know why some of us shoot with flash.:)


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