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mike929
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Oct 01, 2013 07:38 |  #1

I have a question in reference to low light indoor shooting without flash. I stated without flash because I like to walk around and "catch" photos. Meaning off guard, when people are being themselves and interacting. However, I will also do standard portrait shots ( single, couples and group). I do have two manual flashes that i was thinking of using when doing the portrait shots.

Event - Baby Shower

Level - beginner/newbie with ambition/drive

With my current gear what would you recommend I use? Also what lens that I do not currently have should I get?

Current lenses/gear:

MIR 1B Russian Lens 37mm f2.8
Nikon Nikkor-S auto 50mm f1.4 non-AI
Nikon 28mm f/2.8 series E AIS lens
Sigma EX 10mm-20mm DC HSM
Canon EF 50 f1.8 II
Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS
Helios 85mm 1.5 (2013 w/Canon mount)
Canon 28-135mm 3.5-5.6

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Oct 01, 2013 08:13 |  #2

This all depends on how close you're going to be... if you can afford to work at 50mm on crop then that's probably your best bet for low light without flash. If that's too long then you could consider using the 28-135 at 28mm which will give you f3.5... depending on how dark the room is you could probably get away with that just about (going to be a high ISO though).

Having said all that, you should consider using flash even for the candid (or 'catch') photos... if you can, just bounce the flash off the ceiling and immediately you've made things ten times easier for yourself with your current gear.

If, however, you're looking for a reason to spend some more money, then you could consider the Sigma 30mm f1.4 DC lens which is obviously wider than your 50mm and probably easier to work with indoors.


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Oct 01, 2013 08:35 |  #3

Ive used the 60D for 2 years, let me tell you that if youre indoors do NOT use zoom lenses that have small apertures and no autofocus, ESPECIALLY if you are not going to use flash. What you want for best quality is wide, fast primes. You want the lowest ISO possible since indoors with 60D easily makes the photos noisy.

I would take your 28mm 2.8, the 50mm 1.4 and that's all. Everything else is too tight or slow for indoors. You need autofocus, you don't have time to sit and manually focus when shooting wide open (which is kinda forced indoors if you dont use flash). Invest in a Canon 28mm 2.8, Sigma 30mm 1.4, Canon 35mm 2.0, and/or Canon 50mm 1.4...and TAKE YOUR FLASH!

Bounce the flash off walls if you can and you'll have a much easier time. Trust me when you're in low-light indoors, the photos will look way better lit if you bounce a flash off a wall, as opposed to using small ceiling lighting that's in the room alone. Baby showers can be candid if you dont point the flash dead in their face, everyone will get used to it and wont notice it after a few blasts.




  
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Oct 01, 2013 08:35 |  #4

For something like a baby shower, and photograpy in general with the 60D, I would look to getting something fixed aperature and in the range of 17-50mm (more or less) or 17-85mm. That would then be your most versatile lens but yield autofocus capability as opposed to using the Russian and Nikkor optics that are likely manual set, if useable at all.




  
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Oct 01, 2013 08:43 |  #5

mike929 wrote in post #16337830 (external link)
I have a question in reference to low light indoor shooting without flash. I stated without flash because I like to walk around and "catch" photos. Meaning off guard, when people are being themselves and interacting. However, I will also do standard portrait shots ( single, couples and group). I do have two manual flashes that i was thinking of using when doing the portrait shots.

Event - Baby Shower

Level - beginner/newbie with ambition/drive

With my current gear what would you recommend I use? Also what lens that I do not currently have should I get?


Current lenses/gear:

MIR 1B Russian Lens 37mm f2.8
Nikon Nikkor-S auto 50mm f1.4 non-AI
Nikon 28mm f/2.8 series E AIS lens
Sigma EX 10mm-20mm DC HSM
Canon EF 50 f1.8 II
Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS
Helios 85mm 1.5 (2013 w/Canon mount)
Canon 28-135mm 3.5-5.6

2x Yongnuo Speedlite YN560-II
2x Phottix Receiver & 1x Transmitter

When I did this sort of thing with a real Canon 60D, I started with Auto ISO and the maximum ISO set at ISO 6400 and used Program AE autoexposure along with auto white balance. Then I put a Canon 18-200mm image stabilizer lens on the 60D, wandered around and took whatever pictures I wanted to take without flash. I let the camera figure out exposure and white balance.

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Oct 01, 2013 08:55 |  #6

mike929 wrote in post #16337830 (external link)
I have a question in reference to low light indoor shooting without flash. I stated without flash because I like to walk around and "catch" photos. Meaning off guard, when people are being themselves and interacting. However, I will also do standard portrait shots ( single, couples and group). I do have two manual flashes that i was thinking of using when doing the portrait shots.

Event - Baby Shower

Level - beginner/newbie with ambition/drive

With my current gear what would you recommend I use? Also what lens that I do not currently have should I get?

Current lenses/gear:

MIR 1B Russian Lens 37mm f2.8
Nikon Nikkor-S auto 50mm f1.4 non-AI
Nikon 28mm f/2.8 series E AIS lens
Sigma EX 10mm-20mm DC HSM
Canon EF 50 f1.8 II
Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS
Helios 85mm 1.5 (2013 w/Canon mount)
Canon 28-135mm 3.5-5.6

2x Yongnuo Speedlite YN560-II
2x Phottix Receiver & 1x Transmitter

for low light indoors without a flash I use a Sigma 30mm 1.4 and Tamron 17-50 2.8 but I agree with others, learn how to bounce the light from an ETTL flash. It can look "natural" and using a smaller aperture (DOF) with flash is good for group shots


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Oct 01, 2013 09:31 |  #7

I use a Canon 35F2 for this purpose. I don't like to use flash, even of bouncing off the ceiling. People will object, and this removes spontaneity.
I highly recommend the Canon 35 F 2 or if you want to spend more for IS, the newer lens with somewhat better optics. The 35 mm focal length is wide enough to let you get good portraits of even small groups of 2 or 3 people indoors. It is long enough to let you stay far enough back to avoid perspective distortion. I like this focal length enough on my 60D. It gives you a normal view, but one that is long enough to make for great people shots. The 50 is perhaps better for individual portraits and candids, so long as you have enough room. I tend to being a 35 to events like parties in smaller environments.




  
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Oct 01, 2013 11:51 |  #8

I use the EF 28mm IS USM and the EF 40mm STM.
Both are f/2.8
Both are enough for my needs.
The new 28 IS USM can autofocus in some seriously low light.

There is some noise if the ISO goes to 6400, but it can be sort-of adjusted in LR.
In my case the only option I've considered to improve on things would be upgrading from the 60D to the 6D.


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Oct 01, 2013 12:08 as a reply to  @ artyH's post |  #9

Thank you for the suggestions

I'll take a my primes and flash. I'm hoping I do get enough light from the windows on one side of the room.

The Sigma 35 seems to be a good lens as well. I doubt I will get one though before the event.

Thanks again
Mike


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Oct 01, 2013 15:36 |  #10

I rented the Sigma 30 1.4 Art. Really impressed with that lens. Compact but has a little heft to it. The 35 1.4 Art is bigger and heavier, but not sure if the extra cost is warranted if using a crop camera.
I rented the SL1 and really believe ISO 6400 on it was better than 6400 on my 60d. Got me thinking the crop cameras with the Digic 5 processor are better at ISO than the Digic 4's.


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Oct 01, 2013 16:21 |  #11

When I did this sort of thing with a real Canon 60D

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Oct 02, 2013 12:03 |  #12

John from PA wrote in post #16338988 (external link)
DC Fan, as opposed to what?

fake 60D?




  
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Oct 02, 2013 12:15 |  #13

watt100 wrote in post #16340962 (external link)
fake 60D?

Yea, I did not understand that comment myself.


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Oct 02, 2013 12:16 |  #14

BrickR wrote in post #16338893 (external link)
I rented the Sigma 30 1.4 Art. Really impressed with that lens. Compact but has a little heft to it. The 35 1.4 Art is bigger and heavier, but not sure if the extra cost is warranted if using a crop camera.
I rented the SL1 and really believe ISO 6400 on it was better than 6400 on my 60d. Got me thinking the crop cameras with the Digic 5 processor are better at ISO than the Digic 4's.

I may look into renting a lens, I think that is a great option. Just not sure what all is involved. I know there are a couple of places around Atlanta I can research.


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Oct 02, 2013 12:17 |  #15

I also forget to mention that I have a Sekonic L‑358 (added to my gear list). I will admit though I do not yet know how to accurately use it. Just another thing to learn.


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