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government shutdown has devastating effect on U.S. nature photography

 
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Oct 02, 2013 15:01 |  #61

Tom Reichner wrote in post #16341214 (external link)
Actually, that should not be happening. No federal employees - none - are supposed to be asked to work without pay, even temporarily. Asking an employee to work without the appropriate funding in place, amid a government shutdown, is illegal. The law about this issue is pretty clear:
In April 1980, Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti issued a startling opinion. “The legal authority for continued operations either exists or it does not,” he wrote.

When it does not, government must send employees home. They can’t work for free or with the expectation that they will be paid someday....
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My niece's position was deemed essential. She was asked to work for vouchers. She's at work today. (I just called her and asked what the story was)


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Oct 02, 2013 16:49 |  #62

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But it is essential. These servers are in data centers. The cost for the UPS power and space is under contract. No getting out of the contract even under these circumstances. They/We are paying for UPS power if they/we use it or not. Paying lease cost on the equipment, even if it is not use. They just went in an dsiabled remotely I'm sure.

Servers left online are a threat vector. Systems folks may be in the group told to stay home, or very limited number so as to keep essential systems operational.




  
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Oct 02, 2013 21:11 |  #63

America is a big country. I am sure if someone's vacation is ruined, they can just go somewhere else such as Vegas(never shut down), Hawaii or Miami for a swim in Oct; and ifcourse Australia's natural wonders arent closed.




  
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Oct 02, 2013 21:24 |  #64

Good news. Going to Vegas in 10 days. For me anyway. I know a lot of people are hurting. I guess the Hoover Damn tour will be closed. We did it about 12 years ago and were going to go again but I really want to see the new bridge. We were there 5 years ago and they were working on the ends.


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Oct 02, 2013 21:26 |  #65

Actually will Red Rock Canyon and Valley of Fire be open?


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Oct 02, 2013 21:37 |  #66

going to vegas too next weekend, is the monument valley and south rim grand canyon affected by this shutdown?


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Oct 02, 2013 21:40 |  #67

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going to vegas too next weekend, is the monument valley and south rim grand canyon affected by this shutdown?

Here is a very detailed, informative discussion about the details of the closure, with respect to the Grand Canyon:
http://www.naturescape​s.net …iewtopic.php?f=​1&t=237383 (external link)

Keep checking in to that discussion to stay abreast of any changes, and also to learn of nearby opportunities that are not affected by the closure.


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Oct 02, 2013 21:42 |  #68

Thanks Tom.


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Oct 02, 2013 21:48 |  #69

Gomar wrote in post #16342157 (external link)
America is a big country. I am sure if someone's vacation is ruined, they can just go somewhere else such as Vegas(never shut down), Hawaii or Miami for a swim in Oct; and ifcourse Australia's natural wonders arent closed.

You can't possibly be sure what people you don't know can "just" do when you don't know their circumstances.


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Oct 02, 2013 21:57 |  #70

Gomar wrote in post #16342157 (external link)
America is a big country. I am sure if someone's vacation is ruined, they can just go somewhere else such as Vegas(never shut down), Hawaii or Miami for a swim in Oct; and ifcourse Australia's natural wonders arent closed.

Yep, heading back to Hawaii Sat.




  
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Oct 02, 2013 22:04 |  #71

Gomar wrote in post #16342157 (external link)
America is a big country. I am sure if someone's vacation is ruined, they can just go somewhere else such as Vegas(never shut down), Hawaii or Miami for a swim in Oct; and ifcourse Australia's natural wonders arent closed.

OhLook wrote in post #16342225 (external link)
You can't possibly be sure what people you don't know can "just" do when you don't know their circumstances.

You are very correct, Oh Look.

For many, this is not just about a fun vacation, or a time to relax and enjoy natural beauty. There are those of us who are obsessed with obtaining the very best photos we can possibly get. World-class images are most often the result of an enormous amount of planning and preparation.

We put - sometimes - years of research and planning into a photo trip. We carefully plan our dates because some events in nature only transpire during a very short period of time. It isn't just a photo trip - it is, in some cases, The photo trip in which we have invested an enormous amount of planning and preparation. Some of us have waited and planned for years, only to be locked out of our destination due to this shutdown.

For some, it is a very big deal. For many, what we have lost/are going to lose can not be fully replaced by any of the available alternatives.


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Oct 02, 2013 22:08 |  #72

OhLook wrote in post #16342225 (external link)
You can't possibly be sure what people you don't know can "just" do when you don't know their circumstances.


^^^^^
What he said.

Here's a story about some WWII era vets whose circumstances would not allow a return trip, or an acceptable alternative.

http://www.stripes.com …ernment-shutdown-1.244447 (external link)



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Oct 02, 2013 22:12 |  #73

taemo wrote in post #16342203 (external link)
going to vegas too next weekend, is the monument valley and south rim grand canyon affected by this shutdown?

Monument Valley is in Navajo Nation, so you're OK there. Canyon de Chelly is on either Navajo or Hopi land and is a great place to visit and photograph.




  
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Oct 02, 2013 22:40 |  #74

Tom Reichner wrote in post #16342256 (external link)
For many, this is not just about a fun vacation, or a time to relax and enjoy natural beauty. There are those of us who are obsessed with obtaining the very best photos we can possibly get. World-class images are most often the result of an enormous amount of planning and preparation.

You can't be serious.

There are thousands of people sitting at home wondering how long they'll be waiting for their next paycheck, hoping that this BS is resolved before they completely deplete their savings, and you think that your ability to capture "world-class images" is something to be concerned about? You sound like a spoiled little kid crying that he has to settle for a trip to the nearest Six Flags instead of going to Disney World. Get over it, go find an alternate location, and be glad that you're not suffering any of the real effects from this shutdown.


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Oct 02, 2013 23:10 |  #75

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You can't be serious.

There are thousands of people sitting at home wondering how long they'll be waiting for their next paycheck, hoping that this BS is resolved before they completely deplete their savings, and you think that your ability to capture "world-class images" is something to be concerned about? You sound like a spoiled little kid crying that he has to settle for a trip to the nearest Six Flags instead of going to Disney World. Get over it, go find an alternate location, and be glad that you're not suffering any of the real effects from this shutdown.

Dude, do you not realize that my livelihood is made by selling wildlife images? This puts me out of work, too. If the shutdown continues into November, I will not be able to produce the "world class" stock photos that I need in order to continue to earn the royalties I need in order to pay my bills.

You speak as if I am just doing this for fun or something. What the heck made you think that?! You should learn about someone before you publicly criticize what they say.

krb wrote in post #16342328 (external link)
You can't be serious.

Oh, yes, I am serious. Very, very serious. When the government shutdown keeps me from being able to make a living, that is serious indeed.


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