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Canon 60D Users, Unite! (4!)

 
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Oct 07, 2013 13:05 |  #5446

ldor wrote in post #16352077 (external link)
Hi all,

I've been having trouble using fill flash with my 60D in Av mode. Whenever I use flash in Av mode, the background gets blown out. That is not a flash exposure problem because this happens also when shooting outside when the background can be far away - beyond the reach of the flash. So, I understand that, when using flash, somehow the camera sets a wrong exposure in Av mode. The only solution I found so far is to shoot in manual. I know that many people prefer manual mode but this is not a good solution for me. Manual adjustments always take some time to make and I am loosing precious moments then.

Immaculens wrote in post #16352274 (external link)
...it is shutter speed that controls your ambient light - so if AV sets your shutter to ... say, 1/30th sec then perhaps the ambient is too bright for that reason.

My guess is that if you shoot in AV, you will run that risk since you are not controlling ambient with the shutter speed.

but obviously more qualified folks should chime in ;)

ScullenCrossBones wrote in post #16352363 (external link)
With a flash on the camera, the shutter speed will be limited to flash sync speed in Av mode. It often leads to blown out backgrounds. A better choice is Tv or manual. P also works if you don't want to think about exposure. Or if you need to use Av, set the flash to HSS (high speed sync).

Thanks to the OP for asking the same question that I hadn't figured out how to ask yet. I've noticed the same symptoms he has but hadn't yet narrowed it down to only being an issue in AV mode. Good diagnosis job there! :cool:

And thanks for all the great replies too! Your responses all make perfect sense and I'm anxious to try some more fill-flash shots in TV mode. I might even try Program mode and see how well that sorts things out. :D


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Oct 07, 2013 20:27 |  #5447

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Oct 07, 2013 21:10 |  #5448

Ron...AWESOME image!!!!!!!!!!! Goose bumps!


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Oct 07, 2013 23:45 |  #5449

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Oct 08, 2013 00:02 |  #5450

The clouds in the second one... Wow!

All 3 are great though.


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Oct 08, 2013 00:04 |  #5451

Thanks CJCMarquez!


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Oct 08, 2013 01:10 |  #5452

ScullenCrossBones wrote in post #16352363 (external link)
With a flash on the camera, the shutter speed will be limited to flash sync speed in Av mode. It often leads to blown out backgrounds. A better choice is Tv or manual. P also works if you don't want to think about exposure. Or if you need to use Av, set the flash to HSS (high speed sync).

I think this is the right answer, thank you ScullenCrossBones. Although I am aware of this, often I forget to check the shutter speed. I should check the EXIF of respective photos to be sure but I think that's it.
As for exposing for the background, I do that. The thing is that quite a few times I tried to make two shots exposed identically: one without a flash and the other with a fill flash. So, while the one taken without a flash comes out perfect, the one with the fill flash generally appears blown out. So, it must be not a question of exposing for the background. It must be the shutter speed being limited.

And a brief notice regarding CJCMarquez's suggestion. Exposure lock will not work when the flash is on because the same button works as flash exposure lock then (at least in 60D it is so, I don't know about other models).

And for those who have visited this thread later just want to remind my question. It was about the background being blown out when using fill flash in Av mode.




  
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Oct 08, 2013 01:20 |  #5453

Hmm.. I didn't think about that.

I guess maybe it's a custom function because when I had my 60D, I manually changed my flash exposure lock/compensation through the menu and still used the AE lock as normal.


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Oct 08, 2013 06:07 |  #5454

CJCMarquez wrote in post #16354605 (external link)
Hmm.. I didn't think about that.

I guess maybe it's a custom function because when I had my 60D, I manually changed my flash exposure lock/compensation through the menu and still used the AE lock as normal.

Are you sure that this is really what happens? I've just gone through the manual again and haven't seen anywhere that it is possible to reassign this button the way you say. According to what I found in the manual, there are only two cases when the Star button doesn't work as FEL with the flash on: (i) when other than E-TTLII flash exposure metering mode is selected or (ii) when using manual focusing.
Actually it's very easy to check. If, with the flash on, when pressing the Star button the flash fires a pre-flash then it definitely works as FEL button. If there is no pre-flash then it is just EL, not FEL.




  
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Oct 08, 2013 06:25 |  #5455

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #16354241 (external link)
Ron...AWESOME image!!!!!!!!!!! Goose bumps!

thanks PT


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Oct 08, 2013 06:30 |  #5456

It's been so long since I bought my camera, but I finally pick it up a week Thursday!! Can't come quick enough.

I paid £450/$724 in the end for a new body up in London in some camera shop. (My parents went and picked it up for me which is why I don't have it, and it's 4 hours away from me at the moment)

And the best bit is, I'm going down to London for an Aviation nightshoot, so will have the 60D for it! :D


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Oct 08, 2013 08:41 |  #5457

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Oct 08, 2013 09:07 |  #5459

ldor wrote in post #16354915 (external link)
Are you sure that this is really what happens? I've just gone through the manual again and haven't seen anywhere that it is possible to reassign this button the way you say. According to what I found in the manual, there are only two cases when the Star button doesn't work as FEL with the flash on: (i) when other than E-TTLII flash exposure metering mode is selected or (ii) when using manual focusing.
Actually it's very easy to check. If, with the flash on, when pressing the Star button the flash fires a pre-flash then it definitely works as FEL button. If there is no pre-flash then it is just EL, not FEL.

I wish I still had my 60D to experiment with. When using flash, I don't remember ever having pre flash when using the * button. 60D and 6D.


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Oct 09, 2013 06:55 |  #5460

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