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Oct 07, 2013 16:43 |  #16

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I would love to see Sony catch up and even exceed canikon.

If that can make you happy, Canon is massively divesting from the camera market, too many competitors and low margins. I suppose office printers are more profitable, and above all, they are putting their money into new markets, like EDM softwares, and others.

That's the main explanation for their poor camera sensor performance.




  
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Oct 07, 2013 16:48 |  #17

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If that can make you happy, Canon is massively divesting from the camera market, too many competitors and low margins. I suppose office printers are more profitable, and above all, they are putting their money into new markets, like EDM softwares, and others.

That's the main explanation for their poor camera sensor performance.

Care to site a source? Such a bold statement so I assume you have something to back it up.


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Oct 07, 2013 17:06 as a reply to  @ gjl711's post |  #18

^ Yeah a solid source would be nice.

But I wouldn't be surprised if its true.. I mean, there must be some kind of reason behind Canon's ultra slow advancements in the camera department (lens updates, sensor tech, e.t.c.).

Now Sony is about to release their full frame mirrorless, and it seems Canon doesn't even have one on their road map?




  
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Oct 08, 2013 04:03 |  #19

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Care to site a source? Such a bold statement so I assume you have something to back it up.

I was talking with Canon people involved in some of those new activities. Nothing secret here, their software acquisitions are well known from many companies (some of the software solutions were already well known in large companies offices before Canon bought them). In fact they are actively looking for new customers, that's how I learned it.

I won't give you any names, THAT would be bold and unfair, but the person locally responsible for this branch of Canon activities told me they have been given a free hand and "unlimited" budget to develop this business (and again, looking at their sensors performance, it's obviously not the case of their camera business!)

And again, I was told from the same source, face to face, that Canon can not make enough profit with cameras and other hardware, to finance a company of their size. That's the reason they are developing the software and service branch, with almost NO link with photography.

I don't work for them, they never paid me anything, even for this negotiation, I'm not doing business with them, so I feel totally free to repeat what I have been told!

If you have a problem with that, it's none of my business.




  
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Oct 09, 2013 07:24 |  #20

But without small lenses, it's not a small package.


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Oct 09, 2013 07:58 |  #21

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But without small lenses, it's not a small package.

It's not about the size.

It's about the fact that you can stick any lens in front of it and it will work, together with having the best full-frame sensor out there in terms of resolution and dynamic range.

It also doesn't hurt that, with the right adapter and using contrast-detect AF, a mirrorless camera can also AF any lens with an inbuilt motor, regardless of the manufacturer.

Essentially, it's a MF digital back in full-frame form - a high-performance sensor you can stick behind almost any lens, not just those lenses the manufacturer wants you to stick them behind (e.g. Hasselblad, Leica S, Nikon mount).




  
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Oct 09, 2013 10:48 |  #22

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I'm told the new NEX-9 will actually have a new, presumably larger mount. I recall someone calling it FE mount. Could be wrong, but it makes sense.

http://www.sonyalpharu​mors.com …th-the-nex-ff-in-october/ (external link)

It's possible they'll keep the existing mount and the lens elements will just be closer.

I'm excited about full frame mirrorless.


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Oct 10, 2013 18:52 as a reply to  @ DocFrankenstein's post |  #23

I would take a run at this if it comes about.


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Oct 14, 2013 04:08 |  #24

I giess we will wait and see. Thing is with sony sensors, they are good in Nikon bodies... and only becasue Nikon designed the sensors in the Nikon bodies... sony just built them to Nikon specs. So until sony can a) use nikon design or b) work out how to sort out noise then the competition will still be Canon and Nikon.


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Oct 14, 2013 04:43 |  #25

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I giess we will wait and see. Thing is with sony sensors, they are good in Nikon bodies... and only becasue Nikon designed the sensors in the Nikon bodies... sony just built them to Nikon specs. So until sony can a) use nikon design or b) work out how to sort out noise then the competition will still be Canon and Nikon.

Well I hope Sony learned a lesson or two from building the D800 Exmor sensor.


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Oct 14, 2013 07:21 |  #26

Maybe they did but if Nikon own the patent.... ;)


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Oct 16, 2013 21:36 |  #27

Shadowblade wrote in post #16357774 (external link)
It's not about the size.

It's about the fact that you can stick any lens in front of it and it will work, together with having the best full-frame sensor out there in terms of resolution and dynamic range.

It also doesn't hurt that, with the right adapter and using contrast-detect AF, a mirrorless camera can also AF any lens with an inbuilt motor, regardless of the manufacturer.

Essentially, it's a MF digital back in full-frame form - a high-performance sensor you can stick behind almost any lens, not just those lenses the manufacturer wants you to stick them behind (e.g. Hasselblad, Leica S, Nikon mount).

Am not particularly technically inclined so sorry if this is already painfully obvious but - how does this work? Just find the right adapter (will Sony make them or do we have to wait for third parties?) and stick your lens on, and away you go? With AF??


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Oct 16, 2013 21:43 |  #28

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Am not particularly technically inclined so sorry if this is already painfully obvious but - how does this work? Just find the right adapter (will Sony make them or do we have to wait for third parties?) and stick your lens on, and away you go? With AF??

Adapters are already available, since it's the same mount as the E-mount used in NEX cameras.

In order to have AF, the adapter needs to support it (some do, some don't) and the lens needs to have an inbuilt motor (e.g. USM) rather than being screw-driven. If the lens has an inbuilt motor, all the adapter needs to do is supply power to the lens to run the motor.

But don't expect AF to be fast or responsive on the A7r - accurate, yes, but not fast compared to an SLR with phase-detection AF (the A7 will be faster, but only with Sony/Zeiss lenses supported by the phase detection system). To me, it's just a bonus - I'm buying this camera for landscape photography, where I'm more than happy to manually focus (and the focus peaking system is, apparently, excellent).




  
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Oct 16, 2013 23:31 |  #29

Sorry if this is a stupid question (I'm still learning) but is there any adapter out there that would make me able to use my EF-S lenses with the A7r?


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Oct 17, 2013 07:45 |  #30

According to dpreview the sensor in the 36mp one is the D800 sensor.




  
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