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Oct 14, 2013 13:32 |  #136

Oh look. Another camera fashionista.

Of course everyone is entitled express their opinions, but since this is the first affordable full frame mirrorless camera with interchangable lens mount, I think theres a lot more to comment on than the looks of the camera. :)




  
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Oct 14, 2013 13:43 |  #137

I doubt you can design a small(ish) camera with a viewfinder vastly differently from this (why reinvent the wheel?) That zoomlens looks gigantic though - I say it again, using big bulky (zoom)lenses on a tiny camera defeats the purpose...

I'm sure the sensor kicks ass, so I'm more interested in the camera how it performs, AF wise and handling.


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Oct 14, 2013 13:58 |  #138

Osiriz wrote in post #16370439 (external link)
Oh look. Another camera fashionista.

Of course everyone is entitled express their opinions, but since this is the first affordable full frame mirrorless camera with interchangable lens mount, I think theres a lot more to comment on than the looks of the camera. :)

Your're right. There is a lot to comment on...including the aesthetics. As a professional designer I refuse to accept that a product can't be excellent in both form and function. On the other hand, I think pigs with lipstick are cute. ;)

Thanks for keeping the updates coming; it's an incredibly exciting camera. :)


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Oct 14, 2013 14:05 |  #139

Osiriz wrote in post #16370439 (external link)
Oh look. Another camera fashionista.

Of course everyone is entitled express their opinions, but since this is the first affordable full frame mirrorless camera with interchangable lens mount, I think theres a lot more to comment on than the looks of the camera. :)

Are you paying attention? Nothing I've said has anything to do with how the camera looks, but rather how the design of the camera is detrimental to the function of the camera (and how this is being done for no good reason, other than to make the camera look like something it is not).


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Oct 14, 2013 14:21 |  #140

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Are you paying attention? Nothing I've said has anything to do with how the camera looks, but rather how the design of the camera is detrimental to the function of the camera (and how this is being done for no good reason, other than to make the camera look like something it is not).

Are you paying attention? I think he wasn't referring to you. ;)


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Oct 14, 2013 14:29 |  #141

it would be nice if the eye piece protruding at the back was a bit smaller but i still like the design

i'd love to have one of these paired with my hasselblad for trips. save the dslrs for work when needed.

i won't be an early adopter though


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Oct 14, 2013 15:29 |  #142

As I understand it, conventional full-frame DSLRs tend to have weak ultra-wide options because they must use a "retrofocus" design. Will the A7/A7r be able to circumvent this and allow for better, cheaper alternatives to, say, the 16-35 or 14-24?

If so, it's disappointing to see no ultra-wide zoom is even listed in the initial lineup. That would be one of the main draws for me to switch.


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Oct 14, 2013 15:31 |  #143

brettjrob wrote in post #16370779 (external link)
As I understand it, conventional full-frame DSLRs tend to have weak ultra-wide options because they must use a "retrofocus" design. Will the A7/A7r be able to circumvent this and allow for better, cheaper alternatives to, say, the 16-35 or 14-24?

If so, it's disappointing to see no ultra-wide zoom is even listed in the initial lineup. That would be one of the main draws for me to switch.

There will be. Apart from the initial lineup there are at least 12 new lenses coming next year. I guess we will know more about this on Wednesday.

Until then, you can use pretty much whichever lenses you want from Canikon. Adapters is your friend. :)


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Oct 14, 2013 15:39 |  #144

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There will be. Apart from the initial lineup there are at least 12 new lenses coming next year. I guess we will know more about this on Wednesday.

Until then, you can use pretty much whichever lenses you want from Canikon. Adapters is your friend. :)

Right, but my point was that one of the (potentially) biggest draws of the entire paradigm behind this release is apparently not a first priority. That's kind of annoying. A Zeiss 14-24 would've rounded out that initial lineup nicely.

Also, I assume any adapted Canikon lenses will be no-AF? Definitely problematic for my purposes, at least for telephoto.


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Oct 14, 2013 16:16 |  #145

Osiriz wrote in post #16370439 (external link)
Oh look. Another camera fashionista.

Of course everyone is entitled express their opinions, but since this is the first affordable full frame mirrorless camera with interchangable lens mount, I think theres a lot more to comment on than the looks of the camera. :)

Of course. There are plenty of things I wouldn't buy if I thought it was ugly. Car, house, wife errrrr.....cloths. :lol: Aesthetics is a big reason for the Fuji X series popularity.




  
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Oct 14, 2013 16:21 |  #146

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Right, but my point was that one of the (potentially) biggest draws of the entire paradigm behind this release is apparently not a first priority. That's kind of annoying. A Zeiss 14-24 would've rounded out that initial lineup nicely.

A Zeiss 14 or 15 would have been nice.

I hope Zeiss releases a line of tilt-shift lenses one day - being optical perfectionists and manual-focus specialists, they'd be perfect for the job.

Also, I assume any adapted Canikon lenses will be no-AF? Definitely problematic for my purposes, at least for telephoto.


They will have AF, if you use the right adapter. They have AF on current NEX bodies, too.

Unlike phase detection, contrast-detection systems can AF anything...




  
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Oct 14, 2013 19:29 |  #147

Can't wait for the official announcement and reviews of this camera. I actually like the hump/center placement of the VF. I'm left eyed. I know plenty of photographers who are left eyed. I've tried using my right eye to take advantage of the left side VF of the X100 I used to own but I never could get use to it.

The extra height of the hump makes it more comfortable when shooting left eyed. Gives my nose more clearance from the LCD - I always was smooshed into the LCD on the X100. I also wear glasses sometimes, the extra room is also very welcome in these instances.

I see some design advantages of the hump as well, your VF and LCD aren't competing for real estate on the back of the camera, allowing for a bigger LCD or tilty LCD or a bigger VF.

I also prefer a VF aligned with the lens, which also requires centered VFs. Easier to hold big glass up to my eye. A FF mirrorless will undeniably have heavier and bigger glass than a NEX or M43 camera.


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Oct 14, 2013 19:34 |  #148

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Of course. There are plenty of things I wouldn't buy if I thought it was ugly. Car, house, wife errrrr.....cloths. :lol: Aesthetics is a big reason for the Fuji X series popularity.

Yes; aesthetics that serve a functional purpose, in addition to looking nice.


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Oct 15, 2013 03:39 as a reply to  @ edge100's post |  #149

Digglloyd is apparently a tester of the A7R, and it seems he accidentally leaked some stuff through his website. He quickly removed the post, but it was TOO LATE because of the RSS feed. :)

It is nothing major, nothing on IQ e.t.c. The post can be seen right here: http://webcache.google​usercontent.com …/20131015_2-Sony-A7R.html (external link)

Some bits and pieces from the leak.
* Breakthrough in Image Quality in a Compact Package.
* EVF and rear LCD. The best yet seen on any camera.
* The A7R weights 465g with battery and card which is 32g less than the Olympus E-M1.
* Makes the D800E look dated.
* Lens line is a weakness at launch, but is saved thanks to adapters.
* Canon might want to change their underwear, because the Sony A7R is the camera that could really eat into their sales.

Well, I guess this is the last we'll hear about this camera before the big event tomorrow.
Sonyalpharumors.com will be hosting a live stream event for the launch tomorrow at 7AM (London time).




  
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Oct 15, 2013 03:59 |  #150

*flame shield activated* I really love the look of this camera. I hope it doesn't change.

I had no real desire to get the D800, because why would I have two DSLR systems, but this is actually very compelling. If those Zeiss lenses are up to par with their DSLR variants, and an EOS adapter is out quick, I may just be getting an A7r as a second camera.

$2,200 for a tiny 36mp FF is just crazy. If they come out with a Leica M adapter, there just won't be any real reason to get a Leica anymore, unless you really want the red dot.


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