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Finally! The full frame NEX is coming!

 
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Oct 15, 2013 05:05 as a reply to  @ post 16372224 |  #151

Accurate size comparison between the A7R/A7, the Leica M and the 5D3.

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Oct 15, 2013 05:07 |  #152

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #16372224 (external link)
\If they come out with a Leica M adapter, there just won't be any real reason to get a Leica anymore, unless you really want the red dot.

And proper rangefinder focusing.

And an optical viewfinder.

And a sensor that is optimized for rangefinder glass (especially non-retrofocal wide angles).

And far, far, far better build quality.

Oh, and a red dot; of course.

This camera will have virtually no effect on Leica sales.


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Oct 15, 2013 05:14 |  #153

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #16372224 (external link)
$2,200 for a tiny 36mp FF is just crazy. If they come out with a Leica M adapter, there just won't be any real reason to get a Leica anymore, unless you really want the red dot.

+1

And thanks to the EF adapter, there won't be any real reason to buy a Canon body any more. At least not if you are a landscaper or a studio shooter.

Canon can now forget to sell their upcoming high MP sensor in a a 7.000 bucks 1D-body. Every sane person will go for the Sony. :)




  
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Oct 15, 2013 05:19 |  #154

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Digglloyd is apparently a tester of the A7R, and it seems he accidentally leaked some stuff through his website. He quickly removed the post, but it was TOO LATE because of the RSS feed. :)

It is nothing major, nothing on IQ e.t.c. The post can be seen right here: http://webcache.google​usercontent.com …/20131015_2-Sony-A7R.html (external link)

Some bits and pieces from the leak.
* Breakthrough in Image Quality in a Compact Package.
* EVF and rear LCD. The best yet seen on any camera.
* The A7R weights 465g with battery and card which is 32g less than the Olympus E-M1.
* Makes the D800E look dated.
* Lens line is a weakness at launch, but is saved thanks to adapters.
* Canon might want to change their underwear, because the Sony A7R is the camera that could really eat into their sales.

I really like the sound of this.

My money is ready to fly!


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Oct 15, 2013 05:43 |  #155

Osiriz wrote in post #16372292 (external link)
+1

And thanks to the EF adapter, there won't be any real reason to buy a Canon body any more. At least not if you are a landscaper or a studio shooter.

Canon can now forget to sell their upcoming high MP sensor in a a 7.000 bucks 1D-body. Every sane person will go for the Sony. :)

Which 24 f/1.4, 85 f/1.2 and 300 f/2.8 I should get for the 7r ?


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Oct 15, 2013 06:25 |  #156

Osiriz wrote in post #16372289 (external link)
Accurate size comparison between the A7R/A7, the Leica M and the 5D3.

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It really isn't bad in the aesthetic department. I'm ready to buy right now!! :D




  
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Oct 15, 2013 07:45 |  #157

Osiriz wrote in post #16372292 (external link)
+1

And thanks to the EF adapter, there won't be any real reason to buy a Canon body any more. At least not if you are a landscaper or a studio shooter.

Canon can now forget to sell their upcoming high MP sensor in a a 7.000 bucks 1D-body. Every sane person will go for the Sony. :)

Pretty much.

The A7r seems to have fixed the one major flaw of the D800 - that is, the large flange distance of the Nikon mount!

I'd still buy the high-MP Canon body for wildlife photography using supertelephoto lenses and phase-detection AF, though.

Any word on availability? I'd love to have one (with Canon and NIkon adapters) before heading off to South America in December!




  
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Oct 15, 2013 07:51 |  #158

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And proper rangefinder focusing.

i.e. no focus peaking in the non-existent EVF.

And an optical viewfinder.

Which suffers from parallax errors, and what you see is definitely not what you get.

And a sensor that is optimized for rangefinder glass (especially non-retrofocal wide angles).

For the Sony camera to work at all, its microlenses would also have to be optimised for a short flange distance.

And far, far, far better build quality.

Apart from the lack of weather sealing, and the fact that you can buy (and break) three of these for the price of a Leica.

Oh, and a red dot; of course.

I'll take my 50% extra pixels any day.

This camera will have virtually no effect on Leica sales.

It'll eat in to the sales of bodies to those who use Leica bodies as professional cameras. It will have no effect on the large proportion of Leica sales to people who buy it as a status symbol rather than as a photographic tool.




  
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Oct 15, 2013 07:59 |  #159

Come on Sony, this is your time, celebrate!

You've achieved something I thought would never happen:
Make me want to buy a Sony product (with the EF adapter of course).

My money is ready, shut up and take it.


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Oct 15, 2013 08:00 |  #160

Osiriz wrote in post #16372289 (external link)
Accurate size comparison between the A7R/A7, the Leica M and the 5D3.

I would think the Leica is significantly bigger but maybe it is when looking at it in person.

jdizzle wrote in post #16372367 (external link)
It really isn't bad in the aesthetic department. I'm ready to buy right now!! :D

Remember the wait for the NEX-7? Better get in early. ;)




  
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Oct 15, 2013 08:12 |  #161

So, it's coming out with Zeiss 24-70 and 70-200 f/4 lenses. I wonder how these compare optically to Canon's offerings, or whether using the 24-70 II and 70-200 f/2.8 II with adapters will be a better option.

Any idea if Zeiss will release the 55/1.4 'Otus' in E-mount?




  
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Oct 15, 2013 08:17 as a reply to  @ dgrPhotos's post |  #162

x_tan wrote in post #16372322 (external link)
Which 24 f/1.4, 85 f/1.2 and 300 f/2.8 I should get for the 7r ?

Whichever you like, with a super-short flange distance, it's a matter of time before adapters are made for every relevant mount under the sun, if they aren't already.

If anything, an M mount adapter would make the most sense for the A7, who's going to buy a camera like this to mount heug DSLR lenses on it? Buy a DSLR instead then.

Shadowblade wrote in post #16372484 (external link)
i.e. no focus peaking in the non-existent EVF.

Which suffers from parallax errors, and what you see is definitely not what you get.

For the Sony camera to work at all, its microlenses would also have to be optimised for a short flange distance.

Apart from the lack of weather sealing, and the fact that you can buy (and break) three of these for the price of a Leica.

I'll take my 50% extra pixels any day.

It'll eat in to the sales of bodies to those who use Leica bodies as professional cameras. It will have no effect on the large proportion of Leica sales to people who buy it as a status symbol rather than as a photographic tool.

Cool, you took the words right out of my mouth... If the VF does a 5x or 10x zoom when you turn the focus ring, and gives you the option to place the zoom point, it would be the ultimate in manual focus camera tech. Even if you can't place the zoom point, well, the Leica can't either.

Shadowblade wrote in post #16372540 (external link)
So, it's coming out with Zeiss 24-70 and 70-200 f/4 lenses. I wonder how these compare optically to Canon's offerings, or whether using the 24-70 II and 70-200 f/2.8 II with adapters will be a better option.

Any idea if Zeiss will release the 55/1.4 'Otus' in E-mount?

Canon lenses are faster, so there's that, but IMO it depends on whether you already own one or both. Zeiss 24-70 is OSS so it will be stabilized.

Otus for E mount needs to happen.


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Oct 15, 2013 08:28 |  #163

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #16372556 (external link)
Whichever you like, with a super-short flange distance, it's a matter of time before adapters are made for every relevant mount under the sun, if they aren't already.

If anything, an M mount adapter would make the most sense for the A7, who's going to buy a camera like this to mount heug DSLR lenses on it? Buy a DSLR instead then.


Cool, you took the words right out of my mouth... If the VF does a 5x or 10x zoom when you turn the focus ring, and gives you the option to place the zoom point, it would be the ultimate in manual focus camera tech. Even if you can't place the zoom point, well, the Leica can't either.

You've both utterly missed the point of the Leica camera. Denigrating manual focusing through an optical viewfinder - the absolute best focusing method for street photography and a wonder in low light - shows me just how ill-informed you are.

Look, I'm not so foolish to think that Leica is the be all and end all of cameras. I don't own a Leica digital camera (and I never will; as good as they are, they are still jut computers with a lens on the front). But to think that there is no reason - other than status - to buy or use one is simply ludicrous.


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Oct 15, 2013 09:22 |  #164

Shadowblade wrote in post #16372540 (external link)
So, it's coming out with Zeiss 24-70 and 70-200 f/4 lenses. I wonder how these compare optically to Canon's offerings, or whether using the 24-70 II and 70-200 f/2.8 II with adapters will be a better option.

Any idea if Zeiss will release the 55/1.4 'Otus' in E-mount?

And I wonder about the how realistic using EF-mount lenses on a tiny camera is (both ergonomically and structurally). If people find it truly workable in practice, then I can easily see myself selling my 5D III and getting one of these. I would love to use my TS-E lenses on a 36MP camera with outstanding DR.


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Oct 15, 2013 09:35 |  #165

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And I wonder about the how realistic using EF-mount lenses on a tiny camera is (both ergonomically and structurally). If people find it truly workable in practice, then I can easily see myself selling my 5D III and getting one of these. I would love to use my TS-E lenses on a 36MP camera with outstanding DR.

No more unrealistic than attaching a tiny 5D2 or D800 body to a supertelephoto mounted on a tripod.

You mount the body to the lens, not the other way around.




  
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