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OFFICIAL: Sigma 24-105mm f/4 DG OS Art

 
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Oct 15, 2013 08:08 |  #46

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Oct 15, 2013 11:58 |  #47

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Careful there, pardner. I accurately described the 24-105 once. Devotees will come out of the woodwork to defend its mediocrity.

I like mine, but I also recognize its short comings. I dont expect anything out of it that it cant deliver on. Works for me. I think its a good to great all purpose lens. I would never go out and actively purchase one though. (got mine in a kit). Build quality and performance are superb though.

Im very interested in a real world test of the Sigma 24-105. Hopefully Photozone will have a review in the near future, once available.


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Oct 15, 2013 13:32 as a reply to  @ gnome chompski's post |  #48

Well, I'm not going to say my 24-105L is all that, but I'm not going to be spending money on upgrading it either.

Depending on the price of this new Sigma art lens, the price on 24-105L's on the used market will probably drop even more making the upgrade cost more. One can argue that the recent price drop on the 35IS was directly related to the 35 Art's release and I would expect the market on the 24-105L to trend the same because of this one


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Oct 15, 2013 14:04 |  #49

Good to see that Sigma is still going at it. Probably not a big win in the Canon mount tho.


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Oct 15, 2013 21:02 as a reply to  @ jefzor's post |  #50

Well i hope it is much sharper than the 24-105L.


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Oct 15, 2013 21:38 |  #51

YashicaFX2 wrote in post #16371699 (external link)
Careful there, pardner. I accurately described the 24-105 once. Devotees will come out of the woodwork to defend its mediocrity.

It is mediocre in comparision to other, more expensive lenses, but at its current street price I think its a pretty good buy. Probably not an entirely accurate metaphor in this case but you pay peanuts you get monkeys.. People can't possibly expect to spend $900 on a lens and get $2,000 worth of glass.

It will be interesting to see how Sigma prices this. I suspect its price will play a big part in its success.


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Oct 15, 2013 21:45 |  #52

Sigma has yet to solve the AF riddle of canon. for an f4 lens, of course its a bit of less of an issue, b/c of the DOF> dont get me wrong, I am good with my sigma 50 1.4 and 150 macro. however, given canon L goes for around 700, and its an L, its going to be difficult for this lens to beat canon. as for nikon, and sony, yeay, great choice.


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Oct 16, 2013 00:56 |  #53

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
I remember reading similar things about the 35L. It's ended up with people selling their L's to get the Sigma. Sure there are whisperings over AF but I thinks that people are extra vigilant due to Sigmas history in that area. The very expensive 24-70 II has whisperings too, but it seems people are forgiving Canon on that one.


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Oct 16, 2013 23:19 as a reply to  @ h14nha's post |  #54

I agree with others here posted before that I think Sigma really had the other brands (Nikon and Sony) in mind when they developed this lens. But this is a Canon forum so I wanted to talk about it from a Canon egocentric point of view.

I'm sure this lens will best the Canon version, but quite frankly, there are bigger fish to fry in the EOS world. Plus being a kit lens, the 24-105L is already saturated in the market. I think the 24-105 Art is a good idea, I just don't agree with Sigma's priority placement of this lens. Here are some bigger opportunities I see for Sigma, all of which I would have placed higher priority on:

24/1.4 Art
50/1.4 Art
85/1.4 OS Art
135/1.8 OS Art
300/4 OS Sport
400/5.6 OS Sport

The 12-24 is the widest FF lens available, but there is no competition for the 16-35/2.8.

The 24-70 HSM is the weakest 24-70 on the market. A new 24-70/2.8 OS with Canon turning rings unlike the Tamron VC version would be great.

The long tele zoom area has opportunity too. The 70-300L is on the short side, the 100-400L is dated especially with the push-pull, and the 200-400 is priced beyond most people's reach. For Sigma the 120-400 and 150-500 are mediocre. The 50-500 is over ambitious and dialing back the range could help IQ and aperture to keep it a true 5.6 max lens. A new 100-400 OS Sport or a 150-500 OS Sport would do very well.

What do you think?


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Oct 16, 2013 23:28 |  #55

FEChariot wrote in post #16377100 (external link)
I agree with others here posted before that I think Sigma really had the other brands (Nikon and Sony) in mind when they developed this lens. But this is a Canon forum so I wanted to talk about it from a Canon egocentric point of view.

I'm sure this lens will best the Canon version, but quite frankly, there are bigger fish to fry in the EOS world. Plus being a kit lens, the 24-105L is already saturated in the market. I think the 24-105 Art is a good idea, I just don't agree with Sigma's priority placement of this lens. Here are some bigger opportunities I see for Sigma, all of which I would have placed higher priority on:

24/1.4 Art
50/1.4 Art
85/1.4 OS Art
135/1.8 OS Art
300/4 OS Sport
400/5.6 OS Sport

The 12-24 is the widest FF lens available, but there is no competition for the 16-35/2.8.

The 24-70 HSM is the weakest 24-70 on the market. A new 24-70/2.8 OS with Canon turning rings unlike the Tamron VC version would be great.

The long tele zoom area has opportunity too. The 70-300L is on the short side, the 100-400L is dated especially with the push-pull, and the 200-400 is priced beyond most people's reach. For Sigma the 120-400 and 150-500 are mediocre. The 50-500 is over ambitious and dialing back the range could help IQ and aperture to keep it a true 5.6 max lens. A new 100-400 OS Sport or a 150-500 OS Sport would do very well.

What do you think?

sigma is creating a lens which they see will sell in volume. As much as I love fast primes, most people will gravitate towards the zooms. I'de love a fast 85 myself since I dont have one, but it probably wont sell as good as a 24-xx standard zoom, which sigma is severely lacking. From sigma's POV, this lens makes sense.


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Oct 17, 2013 00:29 |  #56

FEChariot wrote in post #16377100 (external link)
I agree with others here posted before that I think Sigma really had the other brands (Nikon and Sony) in mind when they developed this lens. But this is a Canon forum so I wanted to talk about it from a Canon egocentric point of view.

I'm sure this lens will best the Canon version, but quite frankly, there are bigger fish to fry in the EOS world. Plus being a kit lens, the 24-105L is already saturated in the market. I think the 24-105 Art is a good idea, I just don't agree with Sigma's priority placement of this lens. Here are some bigger opportunities I see for Sigma, all of which I would have placed higher priority on:

24/1.4 Art
50/1.4 Art
85/1.4 OS Art
135/1.8 OS Art
300/4 OS Sport
400/5.6 OS Sport

The 12-24 is the widest FF lens available, but there is no competition for the 16-35/2.8.

The 24-70 HSM is the weakest 24-70 on the market. A new 24-70/2.8 OS with Canon turning rings unlike the Tamron VC version would be great.

The long tele zoom area has opportunity too. The 70-300L is on the short side, the 100-400L is dated especially with the push-pull, and the 200-400 is priced beyond most people's reach. For Sigma the 120-400 and 150-500 are mediocre. The 50-500 is over ambitious and dialing back the range could help IQ and aperture to keep it a true 5.6 max lens. A new 100-400 OS Sport or a 150-500 OS Sport would do very well.

What do you think?

A 135 Art with or without IS/OS would be amazing. But given Sigma's track record of struggling with AF, dealing with the crazy shallow DOF at f1.8 or even f2 would be tough.


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Oct 17, 2013 01:19 |  #57

Charlie wrote in post #16377118 (external link)
sigma is creating a lens which they see will sell in volume. As much as I love fast primes, most people will gravitate towards the zooms. I'de love a fast 85 myself since I dont have one, but it probably wont sell as good as a 24-xx standard zoom, which sigma is severely lacking. From sigma's POV, this lens makes sense.

I see that point. IMO a 24-70/2.8 OS would have been a better bet. Or thinking outside the box, a 28-50/2.0 OS or something close to that in a faster zoom.


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Oct 17, 2013 02:24 |  #58

With current prices for cannikon there must be room for a 200-400 which is affordable ;) This new 24-105 looks nice but the MTF charts look similar to Canons so don't expect miracles.


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