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Finally! The full frame NEX is coming!

 
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Oct 15, 2013 09:44 |  #166

Shadowblade wrote in post #16372540 (external link)
So, it's coming out with Zeiss 24-70 and 70-200 f/4 lenses. I wonder how these compare optically to Canon's offerings, or whether using the 24-70 II and 70-200 f/2.8 II with adapters will be a better option.

Any idea if Zeiss will release the 55/1.4 'Otus' in E-mount?

imagine if the otus had AF and in body stabilization O_O


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Oct 15, 2013 09:45 |  #167

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You've both utterly missed the point of the Leica camera. Denigrating manual focusing through an optical viewfinder - the absolute best focusing method for street photography and a wonder in low light - shows me just how ill-informed you are.

Look, I'm not so foolish to think that Leica is the be all and end all of cameras. I don't own a Leica digital camera (and I never will; as good as they are, they are still jut computers with a lens on the front). But to think that there is no reason - other than status - to buy or use one is simply ludicrous.

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Oct 15, 2013 09:51 |  #168

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Geeze, I didn't know you were so witty. I'll just sit down now and stroke the red dot on my awful, awful Leica, and contemplate the magnitude of your intellect.


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Oct 15, 2013 11:01 |  #169

Shadowblade wrote in post #16372737 (external link)
No more unrealistic than attaching a tiny 5D2 or D800 body to a supertelephoto mounted on a tripod.

You mount the body to the lens, not the other way around.

This is wrong. A super telephoto (even most telephotos) have a tripod collar, allowing the heavy lens to bear the load of both lens and camera. A tilt shift or heavy Zeiss lens has no tripod collar, so when attaching to a tripod, the camera has to carry the load of the lens. So, no, it's not the same as using a supertelephoto on a (relatively) tiny DSLR.

The structural concern may well be a non-issue, and I hope it isn't. But Lloyd Chambers writes in his blog about using Canon and Nikon lenses on NEX cameras:

"Large and heavy lenses like the Otus 55/1.4 APO-Distagon should not be used with an adapter without supporting the lens somehow (e.g. with a hand under it). Lens mounts experience a lever-arm torque which can ultimately bend the lens mount, a very expensive repair. Not to mention “sag” while shooting."

Naturally you can use your hand to support the lens for hand-held shooting, but how do you support the lens for tripod shooting?


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Oct 15, 2013 11:04 |  #170

And for those who think lens adapters are the solution to everything:

http://www.lensrentals​.com …episode-763-lens-adapters (external link)

Enjoy.


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Oct 15, 2013 11:08 |  #171

David Arbogast wrote in post #16372901 (external link)
This is totally wrong. A super telephoto (even most telephotos) have a tripod collar, allowing the heavy lens to bear the load of both lens and camera. A tilt shift or heavy Zeiss lens has no tripod collar, so when attaching to a tripod, the camera has to carry the load of the lens. So, no, it's not the same as adding a supertelephoto to a (relatively) tiny DSLR.

The structural concern may well be a non-issue, and I hope it isn't. But Lloyd Chambers writes in his blog about using Canon and Nikon lenses on NEX cameras:

"Large and heavy lenses like the Otus 55/1.4 APO-Distagon should not be used with an adapter without supporting the lens somehow (e.g. with a hand under it). Lens mounts experience a lever-arm torque which can ultimately bend the lens mount, a very expensive repair. Not to mention “sag” while shooting."

Naturally you can use your hand to support the lens for hand-held shooting, but how do you support the lens on a tripod?

This works very well for me, and also eliminates parallax errors when shift-stitching: http://www.hartblei.de​/en/canon-tse-collar.htm (external link)

Also, you can get Canon/Nikon-to-NEX adapters with a tripod foot:

http://www.metabones.c​om/sony/buy-eos-nex-adapter (external link)

http://www.neu.novofle​x.de/files/astat.jpg (external link) (goes on a Novoflex Nikon-to-NEX adapter)




  
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Oct 15, 2013 11:13 |  #172

Shadowblade wrote in post #16372919 (external link)
This works very well for me, and also eliminates parallax errors when shift-stitching: http://www.hartblei.de​/en/canon-tse-collar.htm (external link)

Also, you can get Canon/Nikon-to-NEX adapters with a tripod foot:

http://www.metabones.c​om/sony/buy-eos-nex-adapter (external link)

http://www.neu.novofle​x.de/files/astat.jpg (external link) (goes on a Novoflex Nikon-to-NEX adapter)

Excellent. Thanks for these great links; just the answer I needed!


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Oct 15, 2013 13:17 |  #173

Meanwhile, Canon's releasing...


Limited edition Powershot cameras :rolleyes:

With custom colours and engraving, no less.

http://www.canonrumors​.com …powershot-cameras-coming/ (external link)




  
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Oct 15, 2013 20:19 |  #174

I'm fine with the looks and the price is right. It's a tool, not a new purse. :D I'll need to see some reviews and real world shots, but I do believe I'm buying....


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Oct 15, 2013 21:00 as a reply to  @ Stone 13's post |  #175

Back/side/top pics here: http://www.cameraegg.o​rg …7r-price-and-full-images/ (external link)

The more I stare at it, the more it grows on me. I had my mind set on buying a 6D at the end of the year, but the A7 seems to be the camera I really want. If only there were more affordable prime choices at launch...




  
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Oct 15, 2013 21:08 |  #176

riotshield wrote in post #16374267 (external link)
Back/side/top pics here: http://www.cameraegg.o​rg …7r-price-and-full-images/ (external link)

The more I stare at it, the more it grows on me. I had my mind set on buying a 6D at the end of the year, but the A7 seems to be the camera I really want. If only there were more affordable prime choices at launch...

Nice find! Thanks.

Btw, get some adapters. That will solve the lens shortage.


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Oct 15, 2013 21:11 |  #177

Moving the A7R pictures to this thread.

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Oct 15, 2013 21:11 |  #178

Ginga wrote in post #16374282 (external link)
Nice find! Thanks.

Btw, get some adapters. That will solve the lens shortage.

http://www.lensrentals​.com …episode-763-lens-adapters (external link)


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Oct 15, 2013 21:25 |  #179

Irrelevant in actual shooting - the amount of 'give' or misalignment between a regular lens mount and a lens already far exceeds any additional misalignment that would be added by the use of an adapter.

In any case, teleconverters already do this (in addition to putting more optics in the way), and those using technical cameras deal with this with every single lens they use.

Additionally, if you're a landscape photographer (where the edges of the photo actually matter), you tend to shoot stopped down enough that any misfocus due to lens/mount alignment is unnoticeable anyway, even at the highest resolutions.




  
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Oct 15, 2013 21:43 |  #180

I'll be getting the EF adapter first.

Later on I will probably get an adapter for Nikon and the 14-24, unless Canon puts out a 14-24L.




  
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