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Oct 16, 2013 13:13 |  #46

Looks like Fuji is joining the game.

http://www.mirrorlessr​umors.com …rame-x200-coming-in-2014/ (external link)


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Oct 16, 2013 14:34 as a reply to  @ Ginga's post |  #47

I'm not a forest video guy, here is normal review:
http://www.dpreview.co​m/previews/sony-alpha-7-7r (external link)

By the time film will be no more for sale, price on this camera is going to be reasonable to re-attach my 50L and Leitz, Voightlander, FSU RF primes.
So, I have backup plan now :cool:

Too bad Canon is not in the list. Keeping my 5Dc, but after...


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Oct 16, 2013 14:59 |  #48

Looks like Sony still clings to ridiculous stuff: "The A7 and A7R do NOT come with external battery chargers, instead relying on internal charging over USB. The included charger is quite slow, so picking up the external charger is probably a smart move" - dpreview

Took forever for them to lose the Minolta hotshoe, now this USB charging stuff (which is slow)


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Oct 16, 2013 15:18 |  #49

BrickR wrote in post #16376148 (external link)
Looks like Sony still clings to ridiculous stuff: "The A7 and A7R do NOT come with external battery chargers, instead relying on internal charging over USB. The included charger is quite slow, so picking up the external charger is probably a smart move" - dpreview

Took forever for them to lose the Minolta hotshoe, now this USB charging stuff (which is slow)

memorystick..... who the heck uses that? loud shutter on mirrorless is confusing, the DSLR's have inbody stabilization, mirrorless doesnt. Auto iso range only goes up to 6400. Generally, I dont like sony as a company, and like canon. I'de have to let the dust settle before picking one up...... except that GAS is creeping up on me..


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Oct 16, 2013 15:48 |  #50

Re: Sony alpha user wondering to go Canon
As some one who spent 11 years working for Sony I can tell you Sony are superb at taking what others have invented and taking it to the next level.
My brother-in-law just purchased the Alpha 500 and I was so jealous of its IQ compared to my 450d I went and bought a 7d as I thought it blew my 450d out of the water. If the OP likes the Sony that he has, and wants to stick with the brand it wont be long before lenses start to appear. Sony are investing in cameras full stop but you cant expect world domination in 5 years but I can promise you thats what they will be striving for, watch this space.....
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Oct 16, 2013 17:14 as a reply to  @ h14nha's post |  #51

I'm not so excited by A7 and A7R.

In terms of weight, A7 is slightly lighter, about 250g lighter than 6D. Both with battery included. However the lenses are of similar weight and size, e.g.
Sony FE 70-200 f/4 weighs 850g, about 100g heavier than the Canon 70-200 f/4 IS.
The FE 55 f/1.8 weighs 280gs, more than double of the Canon 50 f/1.8.

When you consider the whole system, body + lenses, there isn't much of difference between them. Not to mention that you lose on batter life (340 shot of A7 vs 1000+shot of 6D) and AF performance.

I'm sure the A7 and A7R are excellent camera. But it's not much more portable than FF DSLR system. If you carry a standard fast zoom, a telephoto plus a prime lens, the weight will be more or less the same. For portability and decent PQ m 4/3 is the way to go.


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Oct 16, 2013 17:28 |  #52

Now waiting for the second generation...
Hopefully they add:

- Quiet shutter
- IBIS
- Bigger battery
- More video options
- Better AF

A7 / A7r looks pretty awesome to me and I'm excited for it... looks like an awesome landscape and travel camera. Smaller and cheaper than D800, can take any lens... almost sold on it except for the battery life.




  
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Oct 16, 2013 18:09 |  #53

scotchtape wrote in post #16376477 (external link)
Now waiting for the second generation...
Hopefully they add:

- Quiet shutter
- IBIS
- Bigger battery
- More video options
- Better AF

A7 / A7r looks pretty awesome to me and I'm excited for it... looks like an awesome landscape and travel camera. Smaller and cheaper than D800, can take any lens... almost sold on it except for the battery life.

I don't think FF mirrorless system is much better than DSLR as travel camera.
The body weighs similarly as APS-C DSLR ( actually it weighs 70g more than Canon 100D , both with battery included) while the lenses have similar weight as FF DSLR lenses. Probably the latter , i.e. the FF mirrorless lens weight is less known but it's an important factor to decide the whole system's portability.

If you think APS-C DSLR system is good for travel camera, then FF mirrorless might suit your need. As for myself, I don't see it 's more suited for travel purpose than APS-C DSLR system considering lenses are heavier than APS-C DSLR lens, and only slightly more portable than FF DSLR system.


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Oct 16, 2013 18:20 |  #54

genjurok wrote in post #16376556 (external link)
I don't think FF mirrorless system is much better than DSLR as travel camera.
The body weighs similarly as APS-C DSLR ( actually it weighs 70g more than Canon 100D , both with battery included) while the lenses have similar weight as FF DSLR lenses. Probably the latter , i.e. the FF mirrorless lens weight is less known but it's an important factor to decide the whole system's portability.

If you think APS-C DSLR system is good for travel camera, then FF mirrorless might suit your need. As for myself, I don't see it 's more suited for travel purpose than APS-C DSLR system considering lenses are heavier than APS-C DSLR lens, and only slightly more portable than FF DSLR system.

the lenses are nowhere near the maturity level of Canon's DSLR system, but over time, I think it's the best way to go. Just look at how small leica lenses are. There's only two primes out, so it's hard to gauge the size of the lenses, but as for now, they're small. Cant really compare the 55 1.8 to the 50 1.8. Based on specs, the 55 seems much higher end.


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Oct 16, 2013 19:00 |  #55
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I'm pretty much set on the A7R, 35 2.8, 55 1.8 & 70-200 2.8...


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Oct 16, 2013 19:01 |  #56
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genjurok wrote in post #16376446 (external link)
I'm not so excited by A7 and A7R.

In terms of weight, A7 is slightly lighter, about 250g lighter than 6D. Both with battery included. However the lenses are of similar weight and size, e.g.
Sony FE 70-200 f/4 weighs 850g, about 100g heavier than the Canon 70-200 f/4 IS.
The FE 55 f/1.8 weighs 280gs, more than double of the Canon 50 f/1.8.

When you consider the whole system, body + lenses, there isn't much of difference between them. Not to mention that you lose on batter life (340 shot of A7 vs 1000+shot of 6D) and AF performance.

I'm sure the A7 and A7R are excellent camera. But it's not much more portable than FF DSLR system. If you carry a standard fast zoom, a telephoto plus a prime lens, the weight will be more or less the same. For portability and decent PQ m 4/3 is the way to go.

It's not only the size...but the 36mpix with wonderful DR that has me excited. If I want a small compact take anywhere camera...it sure will not be a full frame.




  
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Oct 16, 2013 19:03 |  #57
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scotchtape wrote in post #16376477 (external link)
Now waiting for the second generation...
Hopefully they add:

- Quiet shutter
- IBIS
- Bigger battery
- More video options
- Better AF

A7 / A7r looks pretty awesome to me and I'm excited for it... looks like an awesome landscape and travel camera. Smaller and cheaper than D800, can take any lens... almost sold on it except for the battery life.

Just put another battery into your pocket. I wouldn't let battery life stop me from purchasing the camera.




  
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Oct 16, 2013 19:09 as a reply to  @ kin2son's post |  #58

Smaller size is nice but I'm guessing that performance won't be that huge over the 6D or 5DIII...especially when you have to live with 4 fps on the Sony.

Two things really intrigue me:

(1) A camera with(sort of, somewhat) the shape I started out with in 1975...the OM1.

(2) The ability to use Canon lenses...via metabones.

I can sort of see why Canon hasn't jumped on this 'portability' bandwagon thing.

Thing is, like tons of folks, the only camera I carry with me all the time is my Samsung Note II phone camera...actually works pretty well under ideal circumstances.

I doubt I would carry this Sony anymore than I carry my 7D or 5DIII with me.

Still, gotta give kudos to Sony. When the price drops significantly, I might bite just to have that nostalgic feel of a 1970's camera.

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Oct 16, 2013 19:13 |  #59

Hogloff wrote in post #16376656 (external link)
It's not only the size...but the 36mpix with wonderful DR that has me excited. If I want a small compact take anywhere camera...it sure will not be a full frame.

^ this

Are you guys who are claiming that this is no better than a 6D missing this entirely or what? There is NOTHING in the Canon lineup that comes close to this. Maybe not a big deal for folks who look at images on the computer but REALLY useful for some applications.

Let the "poo pooing" continue.


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Oct 16, 2013 19:21 |  #60

I'm keeping all of my Canon gear, but I'll be getting the A7R. A relatively compact 36MP FF body is very appealing to me....


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