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Oct 17, 2013 14:42 |  #46

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The only time I have shot one was in a best buy with a Nikon on. I don't remember it making a sound or anything. I could be wrong though. I think the mirror flipping is what makes the DSLR one so much louder.

from my understanding any mirrorless system still has a shutter within the camera. point in shoots generally don't. They are the ones with the option of changing the shutter sound.

With these cameras tho if you watch that video posted above one thing they comment on is how loud the shutter sound is and the fact that there is no quiet mode.


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Oct 18, 2013 10:04 |  #47

I was trying to find some info on the hot shoe. Apparently on the A7 and A7R its called "Multi-Interface Shoe".

Is it compatible with "normal" industry-wide hot-shoe devices - manual flashes, triggers etc?


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Oct 18, 2013 11:37 |  #48

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I think my heart will always lie with the DSLR. I am a bigger person so I like the form factor. Plus, I like the "click" you feel when shooting - I know a picture was taken. Compare that to the iPhone/any point and shoot and there is no physical feed back that lets know know the shutter went.

I am not saying I won't buy one of these or that a DSLR is better - just that there are a few key things that I like about DSLR's that are irreplaceable with the road the market is on now.

I don't care about the 'click' - but I do care that I've not yet seen an EVF that can compare to an OVF - and if you are ever shooting a moving subject the OVF is irreplaceable. And some of you want an A7 without a viewfinder at all? Ack!

In addition, I don't get the interest in hooking up a 70-200 2.8 to the A7 - once I've committed to using an 8 inch long, 3.5 pound lens, the size savings of an A7 vs. the 6D or 70D is pretty much irrelevant. Same thing with adding a grip - seems to defeat the stated purpose of the camera (keep it small and light).

Now as for the sensor - I'd be more than happy to have that. :)


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Oct 18, 2013 11:41 as a reply to  @ jrbdmb's post |  #49

First RAW files available online.

http://www.sonyalpharu​mors.com …r-raw-files-for-download/ (external link)




  
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Oct 18, 2013 12:05 |  #50

dscri001 wrote in post #16374749 (external link)
I think this camera would look tons better if they did away with the viewfinder though.

It's a camera, not a fashion accessory! :cool:


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Oct 18, 2013 14:32 |  #51

jrbdmb wrote in post #16380726 (external link)
I don't care about the 'click' - but I do care that I've not yet seen an EVF that can compare to an OVF - and if you are ever shooting a moving subject the OVF is irreplaceable. And some of you want an A7 without a viewfinder at all? Ack!

Have you tried one of the EVFs on Sony Alphas like tha A77 or A99? You would be surprised how you would love that after a month of using it. Honestly, I was really angry that Sony took off the OVF option from the A-mount and was very sceptical about it. I even was about to abandon A-mount due to that. But right now, I am just not able to go back to OVF anymore. When I try my A700 or A900, I am just no longer able to use it as I am lacking all the info from my EVF. I dont see how my changes in exposure will affect the final image. I dont see a histogram in the OVF either. No focus peaking.... I could continue for ages. The EVF in the A7 is supposed to be even better, so I would really not worry. The overall package you get is going to provide a great performance and at a ridiculous price. I am personally after the A7r and that baby will go with me anywhere I go




  
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Oct 18, 2013 14:40 |  #52

Ginga wrote in post #16380508 (external link)
I was trying to find some info on the hot shoe. Apparently on the A7 and A7R its called "Multi-Interface Shoe".

Is it compatible with "normal" industry-wide hot-shoe devices - manual flashes, triggers etc?

Sony acquired Minolta's DSLR business in the mid 2000s. Minolta had developed their own non-standard hotshoe. Sony kept using for a few years, but recently switched back to the industry standard hotshoe. But, they remained compatibility with the Minolta specific flashes, too.

So basically "multi interface" means it has the regular hotshoe but can also use Sony/Minolta hotshoe (presumably with an adapter).


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Oct 18, 2013 20:33 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #53

Thanks :)


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Oct 20, 2013 11:53 |  #54

can you auto focus on Sony A7 with EF lenses using adaptor? If it can auto focus, I would like to get A7 for sure.




  
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Oct 20, 2013 11:58 |  #55

^it can but don't expect DSLR like AF performance.


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Oct 20, 2013 11:58 as a reply to  @ Patrick n's post |  #56

AF works with the metabones adapter.

taemo wrote in post #16385007 (external link)
^it can but don't expect DSLR like AF performance.

Well it won't have the same speed, but accuracy will be the same. So the important part is covered. :)




  
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Oct 21, 2013 00:07 |  #57

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Well, we are looking at a 1st generation FF interchangeable lens compact from Sony versus a 5th? generation camera system that been out for years and is quite mature. I think people don't need to look very hard to see that, and know what they're getting into.

The A7 and A7R aren't first generation products. They are NEXes by another name, just with a larger sensor.


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Oct 21, 2013 00:52 |  #58

Luckypenguin wrote in post #16386467 (external link)
The A7 and A7R aren't first generation products. They are NEXes by another name, just with a larger sensor.

yes but the lenses that have come out for the other NX cameras aren't designed for for the A7 or A7R. So that means Sony has to come out with a new set of lenses.

To me this is fine. Canon came out with the EOS format in the 80's and now when the market moved to digital cameras no new format was needed. In fact the first digital camera that I had (10D) I used a film designed lens.

It's going to take time for the lenses for all lenses that people want to be available. just look at Fuji. There is a now a good set of lenses available for the x-series camera. Shame they not FF but still it's help Fuji.


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Oct 21, 2013 01:08 |  #59

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #16376173 (external link)
The FE mount 70-200 f/4 is going to be around $1,400, which isn't far off from what Canon charges for theirs. Can't wait to see samples/tests, although I'm likely going to jump anyway.

Canon f/4 is not resolving latest full frame digital. If sony is building it to outrsesolve, it will have to be pricier.


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Oct 21, 2013 11:14 |  #60

Osiriz wrote in post #16385009 (external link)
Well it won't have the same speed, but accuracy will be the same. So the important part is covered. :)

Better accuracy actually, since the AF is directly on the imaging surface and you remove a couple of potential failure points from the light path that exist in SLRs. This is one of the best things about mirrorless cameras--no more AF microadjustments necessary.




  
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