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Oct 20, 2013 14:28 |  #1

Today I did a bad 135L test, up till now I never used 135L for a modelshoot so I wanted to test only this lens on my 5D2 with my 6yo daugher in the woods.
With a child posing it wasn't much fun, she hardly stood still, and when posing it was too static or it must be finished right away, kids have no time to lose, child photography would be nothing for me!

Setting was aperture priority at f2-f2.8 with the 580 EXII on HSS High Speed Sync at ISO 800-1000 (even this was maybe a bit low in the woods as there is less light).
I guess I better used shutterspeed priority to a fixed minimum of 1/200 ?

Suddenly I had problems with my flash, the 580 EXII eats the AA's unbelievable fast, my first pair was allready half before shooting and with my second full charged ones the pilot light didn't always charge.
Canon better used Lithium battery's and put a VISIBLE ICON that it's empty or not, now it slowly starts to work half and you have to smell it...

I also got tired that the working distance is unbelievable far, 3-5 meters with a fullframe if you want to have some background.
If you see Dankata's pics they are stunning, maybe they are all in better light at lower iso's and 5 meters away.

I also tried angles on the ground to have a blurry foreground & background but with on camera flash I needed to point it up or the foreground was too bright,
and flash half up was not so interesting as the model is 3-5 meters away to have some background, so it needs all the flashpower...

I will give the 135L some more credit and test it again, maybe in better lightning conditions and more static model the test would be better.
But it was no funday, my first idea was to sell it and only use 70-200 2.8LII IS at f2.8 next time.


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Oct 20, 2013 14:39 |  #2

All of the problems you describe can be overcome with more experience using the lens. It sounds to me like you have become reliant on the zoom range of your 70-200 (which is perfectly fine) and the transition to such a long prime isn't instantaneous.

As for Dankatas shots, I don't see too many of his with children in them (and the ones I have seen are typically more of action shots instead of staged shots), so give yourself a little credit as yes, children are a pain in the @S$ to shoot formally staged flash shots. It's one of the reasons I mainly shoot natural light because I don't have the patience for the staged stuff!


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Oct 20, 2013 14:39 |  #3

What AAs are you using?

Overall, it sounds like you needed to be in manual mode and locking your settings in. If you are using direct flash, set the flash exposure compensation down 1 full stop so it acts as a fill light. Also if you are going above your x-sync speed on the flash make sure you have HSS enabled.


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Oct 20, 2013 14:43 |  #4

580EX goes for a really long time if you have a decent set of AAs like Eneloops. If you're using regular Alkaline batteries...then I could see why they wouldn't last very long.


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Oct 20, 2013 14:48 as a reply to  @ Keyan's post |  #5

I have about 10 pair of re-chargeable AA's between 2100-2500 MAH of different brands, also 8 that with low discharging.
Maybe it's problem with the flash that the pilot light doesn't always gets on, I will keep an eye on this. If battery's are not working the light of my fastcharger flickers and I throw them away.
Otherwise Dankata can give me some more tips maybe? :)


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Oct 20, 2013 15:05 |  #6

CanonYouCan wrote in post #16385328 (external link)
I have about 10 pair of re-chargeable AA's between 2100-2500 MAH of different brands, also 8 that with low discharging.
Maybe it's problem with the flash that the pilot light doesn't always gets on, I will keep an eye on this. If battery's are not working the light of my fastcharger flickers and I throw them away.
Otherwise Dankata can give me some more tips maybe? :)

Nothing in your post suggests an equipment problem.

Fast charging is rough on batteries. I always slow charge my Eneloops and they last a long time.

Using high speed sync will drain the batteries faster. This isn't the flash's fault. Its just physics. Getting your shutter speed under sync or an external power source will help.




  
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Oct 20, 2013 20:48 |  #7

Unless the lens gave you an error code and stopped working, I don't see how the lens failed here. I have been using the 85/1.8 on crop with the same FOV as the 135/2 on FF and now using the 135/2 as well on crop. I have plenty of great shots of my 6 y/o and 3y/o daughters with both.


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Oct 21, 2013 07:10 |  #8

Taking photos of kids can be really taxing. I put it up there with the most frustrating of things and I have two teenage girls. My niece is 2 years old and I never venture anywhere near fully open on any lens as the DOF is not kind when kids are running about and you're not quick draw McGraw.




  
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Oct 21, 2013 10:28 |  #9

I'm not sure your title is accurate. It sounds more like a flash/battery issue than a lens issue.


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Oct 21, 2013 10:38 |  #10

How did the lens fail? User error and some overly generous expectations seem to be the issue here.




  
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Oct 21, 2013 18:57 |  #11

CanonYouCan wrote in post #16385281 (external link)
Today I did a bad 135L test, up till now I never used 135L for a modelshoot so I wanted to test only this lens on my 5D2 with my 6yo daugher in the woods.
With a child posing it wasn't much fun, she hardly stood still, and when posing it was too static or it must be finished right away, kids have no time to lose, child photography would be nothing for me!

Setting was aperture priority at f2-f2.8 with the 580 EXII on HSS High Speed Sync at ISO 800-1000 (even this was maybe a bit low in the woods as there is less light).
I guess I better used shutterspeed priority to a fixed minimum of 1/200 ?

Suddenly I had problems with my flash, the 580 EXII eats the AA's unbelievable fast, my first pair was allready half before shooting and with my second full charged ones the pilot light didn't always charge.
Canon better used Lithium battery's and put a VISIBLE ICON that it's empty or not, now it slowly starts to work half and you have to smell it...

I also got tired that the working distance is unbelievable far, 3-5 meters with a fullframe if you want to have some background.
If you see Dankata's pics they are stunning, maybe they are all in better light at lower iso's and 5 meters away.

I also tried angles on the ground to have a blurry foreground & background but with on camera flash I needed to point it up or the foreground was too bright,
and flash half up was not so interesting as the model is 3-5 meters away to have some background, so it needs all the flashpower...

I will give the 135L some more credit and test it again, maybe in better lightning conditions and more static model the test would be better.
But it was no funday, my first idea was to sell it and only use 70-200 2.8LII IS at f2.8 next time.

So basically, what I've learned when using this lens and a flash, you really need to use the flash off camera. I usually have someone hold the flash and point it at my subjects while standing just out of frame. Otherwise, at the distance of 5 or so meters, your flash is going to be really struggling.


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Oct 21, 2013 19:14 |  #12

Really? A 580EX struggling at 5 meters?? I've used mine with a 300mm and got ample power at 30 meters shooting night football.

I do agree to get it off camera.


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Oct 21, 2013 19:55 |  #13

PhotoGeek wrote in post #16388606 (external link)
Really? A 580EX struggling at 5 meters?? I've used mine with a 300mm and got ample power at 30 meters shooting night football.

I do agree to get it off camera.

Well, I should have also mentioned the HSS the OP said he was using as well. But, I find when trying to overpower or match the sun, it takes more power than to simply illuminate a subject at night from a distance.


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Oct 21, 2013 20:07 |  #14

tagnal wrote in post #16388702 (external link)
Well, I should have also mentioned the HSS the OP said he was using as well. But, I find when trying to overpower or match the sun, it takes more power than to simply illuminate a subject at night from a distance.

The OP said he was shooting in the woods and had to raise his ISO to 800-1000 and was using f/2.8, so overpowering the sun was not his problem. Can't really understand why he chose HSS for these conditions when he was having battery issues too.


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Oct 21, 2013 20:17 |  #15
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135L is great and produces some of the best result for posed portrait.

Using it to chase active kids? Forget it!

Exactly the reason why I sold mine for 70-200II to shoot my daughter.


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