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Looking for something 85~100mm, 1.4~2.0

 
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Oct 22, 2013 10:21 |  #1

Hey folks,

So I'm starting to look for a non-zoom lens around 85mm to 100mm or so, fast aperture, 1.4 to 1.8 or 2.0, because I like the depth of field slices and bokeh of longer range wide aperture lenses. To be used on a crop sensor. I have a 55-250mm lens, but it's just not nearly as sharp, and it's just not fast at all, so a lot of the fun experimental stuff cannot be done with it that I like to do. Mainly looking for something fun for portraits, outdoor shots of people, walk around type lens, really enjoy doing panoramas with wide open aperture for a really dramatic look.

Been looking at:

Canon EF 85mm 1.8 (AF)
Rokinon 85mm 1.4 (manual)

They're priced very similar, maybe $50 difference brand new on Amazon.

The Rokinon seems to be incredibly sharp, and I like the 1.4 aperture, but it's fully manual. Mean while the Canon is a nice sharp lens too, has AF, and stops at 1.8. For some reason I'm drawn to the Rokinon's sharpness and wide aperture. But I can't ignore the AF of the Canon. Losing that one stop doesn't seem like a big deal. But then again, it would be nice to have a wider aperture since I already have a 50mm 1.8.

Any thoughts on comparing the two? Or maybe a 3rd to consider? Sort of looking in this price range as this is a "for fun" lens, so $300ish is a great price point for the quality these lenses bang out.

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Oct 22, 2013 10:29 |  #2

With the very thin DoF that the rokinon will give you at 1.4, MF will be almost impossible without a tripod and live view. In an 85 I think AF is a necessity but to each their own


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Oct 22, 2013 10:35 |  #3

I would go with the Canon. That's less than one stop difference, and the AF is fast on the Canon. See GearShop in the Marketplace section to possibly combine a $50 discount with the Canon rebate.


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Oct 22, 2013 10:40 |  #4

You should note that the Rokinon is fully manual... both focus and aperture control. You have to manually stop down the lens before taking the shot. That makes it slower to shoot with and your viewfinder will dim down when using smaller apertures, making manual focusing more difficult.

The difference between f1.4 and f1.8 is not a full stop... it's 2/3 stop. You will hardly notice the difference out in the field. Most lenses give better optical performance stopped down a little bit, anyway. And the longer the focal length, the less you need really big apertures for very shallow depth of field effects.

Get the Canon for the AF. It's not a perfect lens (has some chromatic aberration), but is quite good none-the-less.

Neither of these is a "panorama" lens, by any means. Panoramas are typically wide angle shots, usually with very deep depth of field, not shallow like these short telephotos will render when you want them to.

Other lenses you might want to consider? There is the slightly longer Canon 100/2. And if you have any interest in macro photography there are some macro lenses in this range of focal lengths, too (Tamron 90/2.8, Canon 100/2.8, and others). Macro lenses generally don't offer as large a max aperture, though.

After getting the Canon EF 85/1.8, you likely will no longer be satisfied with the build quality and AF performance of your 50/1.8 II.... so you might want to start saving up toward an EF 50/1.4, too.


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Oct 22, 2013 11:42 |  #5

Manual focus would be a pain on your T4i, the rebel series' viewfinder simply isn't suited for accurate manual focus. My vote goes for the Canon 85mm F1.8.


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Oct 22, 2013 13:59 |  #6

amfoto1 wrote in post #16390096 (external link)
Neither of these is a "panorama" lens, by any means. Panoramas are typically wide angle shots, usually with very deep depth of field, not shallow like these short telephotos will render when you want them to.

Heya,

Sure they are. Just like in my OP, I like limited DOF and bokeh for very interesting and dramatic panoramas. I do them at 50mm 1.8, and love the look. It gets even more interesting at 85~100mm.

Example of a pan I did with a 50mm at 1.8:

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7407/10408091385_f22d7dbc2c_b.jpg

As for the other comments, thanks everyone, I think the AF of the Canon 85mm 1.8 is a big enough selling point. I like the idea of faster glass and there is something interesting about a fully manual lens, but since the prices are so close, it seems silly not to get the lens with more features.

I seem to focus manually just fine, on my T4i. But still it's nice to have AF to nail quick shots with a limited window.

No interest right now in the 50mm 1.4. I seem to find myself always enjoying winder angle, or more reach. I use my 50mm right now primarily for macro and walk around. I'm an absolute amateur so I'd rather not look at a lens that just replaces another lens completely just yet.

85mm 1.8 seems to fit the bill. I'll keep looking at similar alternatives. But ultimately I'll probably wait for a used one to crop up at a good price.

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Oct 23, 2013 01:50 |  #7

I went through the same debate last night (and some nights prior) and went with the Bower version of the Samyang 85mm (same as the Rokinon) because it was new on Amazon for $250 and with Prime I'll get it by Thursday with free shipping :)

If I were buying for a Rebel, I'd probably have gone with the EF though. As for the comments of MF on an 85mm being "impossible", that's ridiculous. Yes, it's difficult if you're not patient, but I have no issues focusing my 135/2.8 or 70-200 wide open very quickly. Granted, I use an EG-S focus screen which isn't available for the Rebel line.


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Oct 23, 2013 02:44 |  #8
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I'd try the 100 f/2.




  
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Oct 23, 2013 03:21 |  #9

Abu Mahendra wrote in post #16392013 (external link)
I'd try the 100 f/2.

100 would be pretty long on a crop.


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Oct 23, 2013 03:39 |  #10
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85 1.8 hands down.

As said above, MF with a Rebel is nothing but frustration.


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Oct 23, 2013 03:41 |  #11

kin2son wrote in post #16392064 (external link)
85 1.8 hands down.

As said above, MF with a Rebel is nothing but frustration.

Depends on the lens i guess. I can MF my 70-200/4L IS much better on my T2i, than on my 60D.


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Oct 23, 2013 04:23 |  #12
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jefzor wrote in post #16392048 (external link)
100 would be pretty long on a crop.

Did he not say, "I'm starting to look for a non-zoom lens around 85mm to 100mm"? What part of this does not apply to the 100 f2?




  
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Oct 23, 2013 04:28 |  #13

Abu Mahendra wrote in post #16392093 (external link)
Did he not say, "I'm starting to look for a non-zoom lens around 85mm to 100mm"? What part of this does not apply to the 100 f2?

Sure, if he likes that focal length on his crop. It's his choice, just giving my 2 cents.


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Oct 23, 2013 04:40 |  #14

Heya,

Starting to consider these:

Canon EF 100mm f2.8 Macro USM
Tokina 100mm f2.8 Macro

Not the fastest glass, but it does have good reach and doubles for my current project use as well as for some more interesting macro usage, since I don't have a true macro lens.

Any thoughts using a macro lens like this for portraits and outdoor pans (again, the pans I do are not traditional at all, not like wide landscape pan, but actually up close 30+ images blended type pans for really surreal looking effects, it's really cool on people and objects).

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Oct 23, 2013 04:43 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #15
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^^^ You own the Raynox....just use it with the 85 1.8.


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