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Oct 27, 2013 15:10 |  #1

Just sold my Canon 15 2.8 Fisheye due to non usuage and 760 USD budget free.
I practice urbex photography (current lens Tokina 16-28 2.8) and i'm going to re-start outdoor model photography (current lenses 35 1.4L, 135 f2L, 24-70 2.8L, 70-200 2.8L II)

Should I add a 85 1.8 or Sigma 85 1.4 or wouldn't this be much advantage as I have the 135 f2L and the 70-200 2.8LII allready?
Maybe most of you have a 50L and/or 85L for model photography.

I did have the 85 1.2 allready in past, but the AF was too slow and f1.2 too narrow, version II is too expensive.
Maybe I don't need anything as 135L is superb and f2 is also a nice dof in comparison with the 85 1.8 and Sigma 85 1.4? :)


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Oct 27, 2013 15:40 |  #2

Have you considered upgrading your 24-70 to the newer version?


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Oct 27, 2013 20:06 |  #3

If I were you, I'd get one of the 85mm. I haven't used the Sigma, but have heard good things about it. I use the Canon 85/1.8.... AF is plenty fast, it can be used for sports/action photography. The main drawback is it's got a bit of chromatic aberration. Still, it's a nice and capable lens... and less than half the price of the Sigma.

I think you would find your 135mm and an 85mm your most used lenses on your full frame camera for outdoor model photography. A 50mm would likely put you too close to your subjects, unless you are doing a fairly wide shot (i.e., an "environmental portrait")

Personally I don't find the 24-70 all that useful as a portrait lens on a full frame camera. It only gets modestly into the range of focal lengths most useful for portraiture. OTOH, I do find it a pretty darned good portrait lens on a crop camera.


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Oct 27, 2013 20:49 |  #4

If I were you I would sell every lens you have except the 70-200 MK11 and buy the either the 24-70 F2.8MK2 or the 24-70 Tamron VC.


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Oct 27, 2013 21:28 |  #5

lens pirate wrote in post #16404154 (external link)
If I were you I would sell every lens you have except the 70-200 MK11 and buy the either the 24-70 F2.8MK2 or the 24-70 Tamron VC.

You dont think the 35mm f1.4 or 135mm f2 would be useful?


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Oct 27, 2013 21:33 |  #6

Every lens is useful. But of you have Canons latest L glass zooms they are also largely redundant.


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Oct 28, 2013 04:06 |  #7

If you didn't like the 1.2, why not just stick with your 70-200?


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Oct 28, 2013 06:52 |  #8

Well f1.2 was too narrow, but the 70-200 is f2.8 I doubt if I need a 85 1.4 of 1.8 on top of it.

There's a gap between my 35 - 135mm primes (in fact I bought the 135L for it's compactness), maybe I re-buy the 85 1.8 also for it's compactness to fill the gap.
Not sure about Sigma, probably the 85 1.8 is about the same quality.

Concerining the 70-200 the DOF/background compression will be probably about as nice as a 85 1.8, due to the longer focal distance that the 70-200 is capable of.

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If you didn't like the 1.2, why not just stick with your 70-200?


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Oct 28, 2013 08:15 |  #9

Personally I was not sure about 85 and 135 before when I had the 70-200.
Eventually I did get them. The quality you get from them is a whole different thing.

But, if you already have the 135, which is a really great lens for portraits and model shooting, I would wait with getting a 50 or 85 unless you realized you need something wider. Use the 135 and keep the 70-200 on the side just in case. If you see yourself going to the 70-200 too many times to get the right shot, I would get the 85. The sigma is fine. Sharpness is better than the canon 1.8, but the colors of the canon are still amazing which makes it worth it for the price.


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Oct 28, 2013 10:42 |  #10

CanonYouCan wrote in post #16403450 (external link)
Should I add a 85 1.8 or Sigma 85 1.4 or wouldn't this be much advantage as I have the 135 f2L and the 70-200 2.8LII allready?
Maybe most of you have a 50L and/or 85L for model photography.

I did have the 85 1.2 allready in past, but the AF was too slow and f1.2 too narrow, version II is too expensive.
Maybe I don't need anything as 135L is superb and f2 is also a nice dof in comparison with the 85 1.8 and Sigma 85 1.4? :)

Yes. Get the 85/1.8 or Sigma 85/1.4 (I'd start with the Sigma).

135L is nice, but, for me it is bought after I got a 70-200/2.8L IS II and 85L (i.e., it is the very next lens on my shopping list). That's mostly because I wanted a portrait prime that could easily used indoors.


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Oct 30, 2013 03:46 |  #11

In fact I had the 85 1.8 twice but sold it as I found there was too much CA in bright situations, the 135L doesn't suffer from this.
But the sigma also suffers from CA : http://www.cameralabs.​com …igma_85mm_f1-4_EX_DG_HSM/ (external link)
If both Canon 85 1.8 & Sigma 85 1.4 have so much CA I can as well re-buy the Canon 85 1.8 :-D maybe I can be lucky that I have a copy with less CA (doesn't know if copy's vary much).

I read here someone that someone stated that the 24-70 2.8L I at 70mm 2.8 is no real portrait lens, do you agree with this ?
Real portrait primes are considered with aperture between f1.2 - f2 cause of the bokeh/dof.
So f2.8 lenses are more 'normal' fast lenses (except the 70-200 2.8 offcourse which has the nice background compression due to the focal length, this one is exceptionally considered as portrait zoom).

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Yes. Get the 85/1.8 or Sigma 85/1.4 (I'd start with the Sigma)


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Oct 30, 2013 05:18 |  #12

You can shoot portraits with every focal length and every aperture. And they could all look awesome. I know someone who shoots portraits with a 8mm fisheye, en they are looking really cool.

I would stick with your gear and use something what you have. I have a 24-70 too, but I would never use this lens wide open for portraiture because I find it too soft wide open. But your 70-200, 135, and 35 are perfect for portraits. Really no need for an other lens. Otherwise it is GAS ;)


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Oct 30, 2013 19:40 as a reply to  @ Bonbridge's post |  #13

Ok, I use 35L - 135L - 70-200 2.8L II for modelshoots only then.
I think I will sell my 24-70, don't like the idea it's only sharp from f3.2 as I like to shoot wide open.

I'll add a 85 1.8 (just read even the 85 1.2L II has CA and even more than the 1.8).
I just don't see the Sigma 85 1.4 often for sale second hand, otherwise I tested the Sigma first.


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Oct 30, 2013 20:28 |  #14

35 f/2 IS, 85mm 1.8, 135L > all

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Oct 30, 2013 20:31 |  #15

if you have a lot of room or shooting outdoor, 135mm L or 70-200mm 2.8 II are the best for outdoor portraits. for 85mm 1.2 II, i would use indoor or dark cloudy day outdoor. if you use 85mm 1.2 II with 5D2 AF is slow, but if you use it with 5D3 or 6D AF is much better.

I have used 85mm 1.8, Sigma 85mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.2 II.
AF speed 85mm 1.8 is fastest, next is Sigma 1.4, and 85mm 1.2 II.
However Sigma doesn't get to 1.2 :)


If you have a lot of cash, and want the best, sure 1.2 is best, big and heavy, slow AF, but once you got it right focus, you can't beat 1.2 in low light.

If you don't mind weight I think 70-200mm 2.8 II is the best lens for outdoor portrait.

but if you need indoor or low light, than 85mm 1.2 is better.

someone here mentioned about new 24-70mm 2.8 II, this one is very sharp, but if you into bokeh, hihihi, 2.8 is not 1.2 or 1.4.




  
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