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Oct 29, 2013 07:13 |  #46

It should never be one VS the other. It should be about vision and the way a photographer sees. Some photographs are meant to be color and should be because color is a very important visual element. Some images should be B&W because color would either not help the image or it actually hurts the visual statement by confusing the issue. Color and B&W are just tools to be used to help a photographer to help them express their vision.

Heres a few of my images that color would only confuse the issue. Don't ask to see the color version because there isn't one.

IMAGE: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/L1016211_zps3ada3e30.jpg

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IMAGE: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/L1015326_zps9c74bdb0.jpg

And now for a few that I think only work in color because color was the reason I took them. Color is a very important element. These are from a window and doors series.
IMAGE: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/doors%20and%20windows/151seahorsedoorsKeys06.jpg

IMAGE: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/doors%20and%20windows/104DooronCanyonRdSantaFe06.jpg

IMAGE: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y118/airfrogusmc/doors%20and%20windows/IMG_61732.jpg

The only time one is better than the other is for each situation and each picture. I have been seeing in B&W for the last several years now so it was a no brainer for me to buy a camera that only shoots in B&W.



  
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Oct 29, 2013 08:45 |  #47

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After all, it's not supposed to be about B&W vs color, but about the photographer, right?

I'd say it's about the photograph, period. No versus anything - an image should stand on its own.


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Oct 29, 2013 09:13 as a reply to  @ onona's post |  #48

Thank goodness we all have our own preferences, or all photography would look too similar. I shot a lot of black and white film and did all my own darkroom work, and while I certainly have seen some fine black and white photography, it just isn't my favorite at the moment. I like landscapes, and that is what I mostly shoot, and the vast majority work best in color. There are a few that do work very well in black and white, and I appreciate the fact that it is actually harder to get a great print in black and white than in color.

Back to the original poster's comment: "I usually take a cursory look at them and leave." When I go to a gallery, whether photography or paintings, I feel this way about some genres while others fascinate me. I just fall back on the old saying that I don't know much about art, but I know what I like.


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Yno wrote in post #16408026 (external link)
Back to the original poster's comment: "I usually take a cursory look at them and leave." When I go to a gallery, whether photography or paintings, I feel this way about some genres while others fascinate me. I just fall back on the old saying that I don't know much about art, but I know what I like.

That's my take also




  
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Oct 29, 2013 11:26 |  #50

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It should never be one VS the other. It should be about vision and the way a photographer sees. Some photographs are meant to be color and should be because color is a very important visual element. Some images should be B&W because color would either not help the image or it actually hurts the visual statement by confusing the issue. Color and B&W are just tools to be used to help a photographer to help them express their vision.

And now for a few that I think only work in color because color was the reason I took them. Color is a very important element. These are from a window and doors series.

The only time one is better than the other is for each situation and each picture. I have been seeing in B&W for the last several years now so it was a no brainer for me to buy a camera that only shoots in B&W.

Allen,

I really appreciate your balanced approach to this issue. I don't think anyone could sum it up better than you did in the above comments. And, I must say, I was surprised (and pleased) to see some color work from you!

And by the way, that first color example is stunning . . . when I scrolled down and saw it, I just stared at my screen for several minutes . . . and that rarely happens. I have a real appreciation for the artist/craftsman who created those seahorse door details. Do you know anything of their age and/or history?


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Oct 29, 2013 11:53 |  #51

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Allen,

I really appreciate your balanced approach to this issue. I don't think anyone could sum it up better than you did in the above comments. And, I must say, I was surprised (and pleased) to see some color work from you!

And by the way, that first color example is stunning . . . when I scrolled down and saw it, I just stared at my screen for several minutes . . . and that rarely happens. I have a real appreciation for the artist/craftsman who created those seahorse door details. Do you know anything of their age and/or history?

Thanks Tom and I don't know much about it. It was the door on an old long gone seafood restaurant in Key West. It is now something else and has been cleaned up and doesn't look anything like this now. The glass is still there but it has none of this look. I think the glass was replaced with clear glass? Maybe someone from Key West could chime in?




  
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Oct 29, 2013 12:08 as a reply to  @ airfrogusmc's post |  #52

While black & white is core to my photography (as mentioned earlier), I'm finding it difficult to really expand on this topic, because so much of it is simply preference.

I can't appreciate broccoli; I can't appreciate the color green; I can't appreciate T. Swift; and so on.

How to really respond beyond, "OK, different drummers, and all."

So I'll just note why I appreciate black and white. Tonality, illumination, contrast, shadow, light, and form.

Even with color paintings, I'm typically more drawn to watercolor and woodblock (ukiyo-e) prints because of the subtle tonal gradations produced...and this attraction occurred well before I was into photography.

In photography, Meyerowitz's Cape Cod series exemplifies the use of muted colors to retain the graceful tonal transitions that I admire.

Actually, when I started this hobby seriously, I figured about an 80-20 split between color and monochrome, respectively.

Yet, within three months, I decided no more color; and I haven't changed since.

For one thing, I enjoy working with B&W more than with color, but more over, it just fits my direction.

I don't go out looking for what would be better in color, what would be better in B&W. I just go out looking for visual situations that compel me to press the shutter.

No regrets for my "limitations."

To be sure, many times, it is not a matter of B&W or color, as for decades, there really wasn't much choice, and even US newspapers kept it monochrome until, I believe, USA Today shook some stuff up.

And again, I can appreciate color, and for those serious about it, I would definitely explore the works of Ernst Haas, Alex Webb, Saul Leiter, Martin Parr, Eggleston, and Meyerowitz. Not every one of their photos is a revelation, of course, but you can discern useful patterns and application.

Anyway, the majority of my favorite photographers mostly shoot black & white, and if I was denied the option for my own shooting, I would bail out of photography altogether.


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Oct 29, 2013 13:57 |  #53

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Oct 29, 2013 18:16 |  #54

airfrogusmc wrote in post #16407805 (external link)
It should never be one VS the other. It should be about vision and the way a photographer sees. Some photographs are meant to be color and should be because color is a very important visual element. Some images should be B&W because color would either not help the image or it actually hurts the visual statement by confusing the issue. Color and B&W are just tools to be used to help a photographer to help them express their vision.

Heres a few of my images that color would only confuse the issue. Don't ask to see the color version because there isn't one.
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And now for a few that I think only work in color because color was the reason I took them. Color is a very important element. These are from a window and doors series.

The only time one is better than the other is for each situation and each picture. I have been seeing in B&W for the last several years now so it was a no brainer for me to buy a camera that only shoots in B&W.

Love every image...............es​pecially the nurse...............if that wasn't solely made for B&W, nothing was


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Oct 29, 2013 18:48 |  #55

Thank you!!!!!




  
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Oct 29, 2013 19:11 |  #56

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Love every image...............es​pecially the nurse...............if that wasn't solely made for B&W, nothing was


Me too, I keep going back to that one!


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Oct 29, 2013 22:10 |  #57

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Oct 30, 2013 00:22 |  #58

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Wait a minute. If he's small potatoes, then who am I?  :p


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Oct 30, 2013 00:42 |  #59

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Whenever someone posts a B&W vs color version of same photo I always prefer the color one. It's just me.

Same here. I've seen great B&W photos but they just don't resonate with me.
I especially don't like wedding photos in B&W. They seem so lifeless.


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Oct 30, 2013 01:18 |  #60

I usually only do B&W if I flub the white balance and for whatever reason can't correct it or I'm simply bored.

Beyond that, I see in color so I shoot and process in color.


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