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Oct 30, 2013 19:59 |  #1

Im betting the crop sensor is gonna be a dead player in the next couple of years. According to this guy, it may be gone within 5 yrs.

http://www.eoshd.com …nsumer-dslrs-dead-5-years (external link)


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Oct 30, 2013 20:05 |  #2
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umphotography wrote in post #16412112 (external link)
Im betting the crop sensor is gonna be a dead player in the next couple of years. According to this guy, it may be gone within 5 yrs.

http://www.eoshd.com …nsumer-dslrs-dead-5-years (external link)

I agree, and I think it will happen much less than 5 years.

The future is ff mirrorless (just look at A7/A7R) and mobile device. Nobody needs crop DSLR.


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Oct 30, 2013 20:54 |  #3

Faulty logic in this article. Nobody that is remotely interested in a 7d2 would consider a cellphone camera instead.

Always been that way. Years ago people wanting snapshots to share bought Instamatics. Serious photographers bought a Nikon F, a Canon F-1, a Minolta 101, a Pentax Spotmatic F or similar.

Mirror less cameras sales dropped too so I don't see the inevitability of MILC cameras. Personally I have no use for an LCD panel like a P & S and prefer optical viewfinders. I think many MILC's are sold due to the novelty factor.


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Oct 30, 2013 21:14 |  #4

Canon has a lot of other non-consumer camera business that Nikon does not. The article is a bit ironic in the comment about software when, by using the 70D and a wireless connection, I can direct upload to several services and control it using a smartphone.

The A7s have not even come out yet...I wonder how the battery life will be powering the FF sensor and viewfinder etc all the time in the thinner form factor of mirrorless. I understand that you are excited about it kin2son, but you are coming off as something of a troll about the A7, declaring all other cameras dead and ancient and useless based on a press release and some previews for camera you have never held or used.


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Oct 30, 2013 21:20 |  #5

There will be a place for crop. Especially wildlife and sports. Even more so when considering budget implications. Crop plus 300 2.8 is much cheaper than full frame plus 400 2.8.


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Oct 30, 2013 21:58 |  #6

Good article.

I can see what's predicted coming down the road in 5 years.


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Oct 30, 2013 22:03 as a reply to  @ jase1125's post |  #7

Part of the problem with these "xyz is going to be dead in five years" topics (SLRs, crop sensors, Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Office) is that these wonderful alternatives that do 90% of what the "dinosaur" technology does don't do that other 10%. There will always be a market for that last 10%. Not everyone looks at their images strictly on a computer.

If a cell phone was good enough to "put the nail in the coffin" of all this other tech why the heck do people spend $20K plus on MF digital? Are they stupid? Nope, they just have needs that are different than the "typical" photographer.

Will the industry/technology change? Yup, always has. Will crop sensors die off because people want to use their cell phones? Nope. The problem is that folks assume that a crop sensor is "consumer grade" and that all "serious" photographers eventually go full frame. Not so.

Think the Sony A7 is going to eclipse the D800? Unlikely. They might sell more units, but the D800 isn't going anywhere. It is just too capable.

If/when the 7DII comes out it will be an outstanding camera. Period. Will people buy it to take pictures of their kids at birthday party and never look at the images in any way other than 4x6 prints or on their computer? You bet. They are doing that already. Doesn't mean anything.


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Oct 30, 2013 22:22 |  #8
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umphotography wrote in post #16412112 (external link)
Im betting the crop sensor is gonna be a dead player in the next couple of years. According to this guy, it may be gone within 5 yrs.

http://www.eoshd.com …nsumer-dslrs-dead-5-years (external link)

Still waiting for...
The printing press to kill education.
Penicillin to eradicate disease.
The telephone to make writing obsolete.
The Kindle to make books obsolete.
The internet to kill the Post Office.
The personal flying car.
TV to kill radio.
Cold fusion to work.
The second coming.
Air Traffic Control to move out of the 1950s.
Yada-yada-yada.


Lots of silly predictions are made every day. I don't see any reason at all to believe this is not just one more for the list.


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Oct 30, 2013 22:25 |  #9

I know phones are a popular way to take photos, but damn using one is an unpleasant experience.

I love it when I'm at some outdoor, daytime event with my DSLR and someone asks me to take a shot of their group with their phone. OK, let me take my sun glasses off so I can maybe find the subject and the shutter button on a screen with a 1:1.000000001 contrast ratio. I usually wind up half-blindly banging off a half dozen shots in the hope that they get one that makes them happy.

The other night my 2 year old wanted me to take her picture jumping off a small ledge with my phone. I had to tell her my phone can't do that. I wasn't going to bother taking any 1/15 sec shots, most of which wouldn't have even had her in frame.

Anyone, especially parents, who places even the slightest value on decent pictures will probably still have something better than a phone for a while.




  
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Oct 30, 2013 22:52 |  #10

stpix wrote in post #16412212 (external link)
Faulty logic in this article. Nobody that is remotely interested in a 7d2 would consider a cellphone camera instead.

Always been that way. Years ago people wanting snapshots to share bought Instamatics. Serious photographers bought a Nikon F, a Canon F-1, a Minolta 101, a Pentax Spotmatic F or similar.

Mirror less cameras sales dropped too so I don't see the inevitability of MILC cameras. Personally I have no use for an LCD panel like a P & S and prefer optical viewfinders. I think many MILC's are sold due to the novelty factor.

agreed. I think the article is just trendy and nothing more.

good luck bringing your cell phone to a sporting event of any kind. Not a chance in hell, any cell phone will be up to par by 5 years or any amount of years. Kids will play sports for as long as they exist, and soccer moms will be a huge market on their own.


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Oct 30, 2013 23:03 |  #11

Soon as I see pros using a cell phone on the sidelines of major sporting events I'll drop my dslr and go get that magical phone




  
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Oct 30, 2013 23:06 |  #12

Ever watch the Twilight Zone where in the year 2000 there's flying cars?

How about Back To The Future II? I just pre-ordered my Hoverboard for 2015!


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Oct 30, 2013 23:28 |  #13

I see crop DSLRs everywhere here. They are affordable and yield much better IQ than a micro sensor phone. People realize that while the phone is near for a quick snapshot of your kid doing something silly, to capture the moments that really matter a phone is a poor substitute for a dedicated camera.

The mirrors could go away at some point, however I would challenge any mirrorless to take 1200 shots on a single charge like I can on my 70D easily.

Personally, I think that phones are not really what is hurting DSLR sales this year. Canon only released three models, the T5i, which is essentially a T4i with a new badge, the SL1, and the 70D. Last year Canon went nuts with a major improvement between the T3i and T4i in terms of AF and the touchscreen, the 5D3, the 1D X, and the 6D. DSLRs are so capable now that a lot of people don't feel compelled to upgrade, which is part of the reason I think Canon put so many features into the 70D.


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Oct 30, 2013 23:46 |  #14
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flashpoint99 wrote in post #16412483 (external link)
Soon as I see pros using a cell phone on the sidelines of major sporting events I'll drop my dslr and go get that magical phone

Read the articale again....

It isn't DSLR that is going to die but CROP DSLR aka consumer DSLR.

FF DSLR/Mirrorless is dropping in price by the day, crop DSLR is being replaced by crop mirrorless, for everything else mobile device can cover the rest.


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Oct 30, 2013 23:48 |  #15
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Keyan wrote in post #16412524 (external link)
I see crop DSLRs everywhere here. They are affordable and yield much better IQ than a micro sensor phone.

Have you seen those NEX ads?

Anyway here it is - http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=gW9alBidf3w (external link)

Crop mirrorless is the bridge atm, they will die off eventually to make place for ff mirrorless and mobile camera.

Keyan wrote in post #16412524 (external link)
The mirrors could go away at some point, however I would challenge any mirrorless to take 1200 shots on a single charge like I can on my 70D easily.

No soccer mum/dad that uses consumer DSLR cares about that....


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