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Oct 31, 2013 21:50 |  #46

Was in this exact same position when the 6D first came out and I chose the 5D2. That being said, at that time, the 6D was more expensive by $300 than the 5D2.

Here's the stuff that really bugged me about the 6d:

1/180 shutter sync speed - seriously?

1/4000 max shutter speed - was the good shutter that much more expensive to fit?

100,000 shutter lifetime - 5d2 is 150,000 again ... can't you guys just put the good shutter in there?

D pad, sigh

Body made of FRP... this hurts the 6D more than anything in my eyes - I like expensive gear to be made out of lightweight metal alloys or carbon fiber - call me crazy

6D shutter sounds toyish

For me, the 6D was more expensive and just SCREAMED cost-cutting. These days, I'd grab the 6D because of the cost savings.... or maybe I'd pick up a used 5D2, who knows, it's a really wonderful camera and the 6D has no advantage in image quality under ISO3200.




  
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Oct 31, 2013 21:58 |  #47

NotBlake wrote in post #16415003 (external link)
Was in this exact same position when the 6D first came out and I chose the 5D2. That being said, at that time, the 6D was more expensive by $300 than the 5D2.

Here's the stuff that really bugged me about the 6d:

1/180 shutter sync speed - seriously?

Yes, because 1/200 is SO much faster... are you kidding?

1/4000 max shutter speed - was the good shutter that much more expensive to fit?

Again, ONE stop of light, not a big difference... clearly their marketing strategy is working

100,000 shutter lifetime - 5d2 is 150,000 again ... can't you guys just put the good shutter in there?

Estimated shutter life. Read a bit, you'll find that those numbers are pretty much never accurate

D pad, sigh

Personal preference, whatever floats your boat

Body made of FRP... this hurts the 6D more than anything in my eyes - I like expensive gear to be made out of lightweight metal alloys or carbon fiber - call me crazy

Again, are you joking? All but the top plate is magnesium. All the parts that you touch or that matter (like the lens mount) are magnesium. Your gripe makes no sense, in fact, if they never told you that the top was plastic my guess is you'd never know.

6D shutter sounds toyish

Now you're just digging for issues, I love the sound of the 6D's shutter. The silent shutter is even better than the 5DII's... oh wait, the 5DII doesn't have that feature :p

For me, the 6D was more expensive and just SCREAMED cost-cutting. These days, I'd grab the 6D because of the cost savings.... or maybe I'd pick up a used 5D2, who knows, it's a really wonderful camera and the 6D has no advantage in image quality under ISO3200.

Kudos to Canon then, they're marketing fooled you into thinking the 5D line is a MUCH better camera line

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Oct 31, 2013 22:05 |  #48

NotBlake wrote in post #16415003 (external link)
Was in this exact same position when the 6D first came out and I chose the 5D2. That being said, at that time, the 6D was more expensive by $300 than the 5D2.

Here's the stuff that really bugged me about the 6d:

1/180 shutter sync speed - seriously?
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Not a huge difference tbh.

NotBlake wrote in post #16415003 (external link)
1/4000 max shutter speed - was the good shutter that much more expensive to fit?
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Valid point, but I don't know a lot of people shooting 1/8000 of a second.

NotBlake wrote in post #16415003 (external link)
100,000 shutter lifetime - 5d2 is 150,000 again ... can't you guys just put the good shutter in there?
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5D2 also has the same shutter life. 100,000 if im not mistaken.

NotBlake wrote in post #16415003 (external link)
Body made of FRP... this hurts the 6D more than anything in my eyes - I like expensive gear to be made out of lightweight metal alloys or carbon fiber - call me crazy
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Agree on the built. Next to a D600 or 5D2, it feels, well, cheap.

NotBlake wrote in post #16415003 (external link)
For me, the 6D was more expensive and just SCREAMED cost-cutting. These days, I'd grab the 6D because of the cost savings.... or maybe I'd pick up a used 5D2, who knows, it's a really wonderful camera and the 6D has no advantage in image quality under ISO3200.

The 6D is that good above 1600, the color noise is definitely better among other things, it's a full stop better. I can confidently shoot at 6400 when i had the 6D. Canon did skip on a few things on the 6D but other than the sync speed and shutter speed of 1/8000, the 5DM2 lags in a lot of areas, mainly sensor, FPS, the ability to shoot in near dark (-3EV) and other bells and whistles that is beneficial to some photographers (silent shutter option, GPS, Wi-fi).


With its price point being lower than 5DM2 nowadays, I don't see any reason to choose a 5DM2 over the 6D if one is getting into a full frame camera. It's just better in so many ways.




  
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Oct 31, 2013 22:13 |  #49

gabe and everday, you guys make great points. I think we would be good friends. I don't understand all the hate on the 6D. It seems like since it's priced and built under the 5d, people were expecting it's performance to follow suit. And that's when they really start digging for shortcomings. I guess most don't it like when a cheaper and "inferior" camera produces better images than them. I've seen some images from a rebel that have left me completely dumbfounded. But in the end, it's just motivation to improve my own technique.


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Oct 31, 2013 22:15 |  #50

Having compared both the 6D and 5Dmk3 intensively, at high ISO, the 6D has an advantage.

http://blog.planet5d.c​om …-6d-vs-canon-5d-mark-iii/ (external link)




  
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Oct 31, 2013 22:35 as a reply to  @ Aswald's post |  #51

My dream camera, before I even knew how to push the shutter button, was the 5DII. All the photographers I'd hired were using them, so I thought hell, if I'm going to get a camera that is the one I want.

Eventually I was gifted a 600D from my wife last year :) for a while there that was all I needed, until I discovered night time photography. Kinda grew out of the 600D and needed something more.

But the 5DII & 5DIII didn't have a function that I specifically needed, a swivel screen. My only option was the 60D, but with the same sensor as the 600D there was no point.

Then the 6D comes along... Cheaper than 5DIII and has Wifi for using my iPad and iPhone. That is really what sold me on going full frame, and the high noise handling. Screw the 1/4000" shutter, who really needs that? ;) Since owning the 6D my photography has just accelerated, because this camera does what I want it to do, and does it extremely well.

Being light is a bonus too, especially when hiking 15kms while hunting deer, you don't want a heavy camera in your daypack. If you have the $$, go 5DIII, if not, go Rebel or 6D.

Glad I went 6D.


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Oct 31, 2013 22:44 |  #52

bobbyz wrote in post #16414645 (external link)
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For me outer AF points in AI servo are no comparison with center.

Well of course not, but will they good enough to...... track a BIF, or a kid on the football field?


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Oct 31, 2013 23:12 |  #53
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bobbyz wrote in post #16414645 (external link)
Shots if you don't mind. Thanks in advance.

For me outer AF points in AI servo are no comparison to center.

bobbyz you know very well how they are since you own the camera.

I really don't think you need anymore confirmation from others, also everyone has different expectation.

The 6D buyers know very well what they are buying into (I hope they are!). It's a centre point only/focus recompose camera.


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Oct 31, 2013 23:20 |  #54

NotBlake wrote in post #16415003 (external link)
Here's the stuff that really bugged me about the 6d:

1/180 shutter sync speed - seriously?

Not sure how 1/200 on 5dmk2 helps. Any regular RF trigger you back to 1/180 or even lower. Bunch of 5dmk2 can't even do reliably 1/160.

1/4000 max shutter speed - was the good shutter that much more expensive to fit?

Unless one is shooting in crappy light and wide open say f2, f1.4, 1/4000 is not an issue.

100,000 shutter lifetime - 5d2 is 150,000 again ... can't you guys just put the good shutter in there?

Never had shutter die so not sure how big a deal it is.

D pad, sigh

Agree, I hate it also

6D shutter sounds toyish

All these camera sound sissy IMHO compared to 1 series. :)


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Oct 31, 2013 23:21 |  #55

kin2son wrote in post #16415136 (external link)
bobbyz you know very well how they are since you own the camera.

I really don't think you need anymore confirmation from others, also everyone has different expectation.

The 6D buyers know very well what they are buying into (I hope they are!). It's a centre point only/focus recompose camera.

Outer focus points actually works quite well in good light, unlike the 5D2 where its outer AF points are useless even in good light.




  
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Oct 31, 2013 23:21 |  #56

kin2son wrote in post #16415136 (external link)
bobbyz you know very well how they are since you own the camera.

I really don't think you need anymore confirmation from others, also everyone has different expectation.

The 6D buyers know very well what they are buying into (I hope they are!). It's a centre point only/focus recompose camera.

I know but sometimes I wonder what 6d users think. Probably they never used better camera before or I don't know how to use one.


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Oct 31, 2013 23:22 |  #57

quote=Rittrato;1641514​6]Outer focus points actually works quite well in good light, unlike the 5D2 where its outer AF points are useless even in good light.[/QUOTE]

I have had 5dc, 5dmk2 and 6d and outer points are quite similar. In AI servo are all not good IMHO. This comparing to center. Center in AI servo on 6d is better than previous cameras.


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Oct 31, 2013 23:32 |  #58

bobbyz wrote in post #16415148 (external link)
Outer focus points actually works quite well in good light, unlike the 5D2 where its outer AF points are useless even in good light.


Weird. Ive gone through tons of 5D2, 5DC's and of course 6D. the 6D outer AF point is better than the previous models in my experience. No doubt.




  
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Oct 31, 2013 23:37 |  #59

Rittrato wrote in post #16415157 (external link)
Weird. Ive gone through tons of 5D2, 5DC's and of course 6D. the 6D outer AF point is better than the previous models in my experience. No doubt.

Have you tried 5dmk3? How would you rate outer points on 6d compared to center say in AI servo?


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Nov 01, 2013 00:05 |  #60

bobbyz wrote in post #16415162 (external link)
Have you tried 5dmk3? How would you rate outer points on 6d compared to center say in AI servo?

dont you have both?


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