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Nov 01, 2013 00:09 |  #61
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gnome chompski wrote in post #16415199 (external link)
dont you have both?

He does:p


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Nov 01, 2013 00:11 |  #62

bobbyz wrote in post #16415162 (external link)
Have you tried 5dmk3? How would you rate outer points on 6d compared to center say in AI servo?

I had a 5DM3. I actually traded mine from another member here to a 6D. I don't use the outer AF points for AI servo though, that's probably why I have a much better success. I normally shoot Single Shot and just move the outer points when necessary.

That same method with a 5DC, 5D2 gave me terrible results. The keeper rate was 2 out of 10 under a good light. I stopped doing it afterwards and just shot at F/2 and above whenever using F/1.2 and F/1.4 lenses on a 5DC/5D2 bodies. with the 6D, I would say 7 or 8 10 shots are in focus (outer points).




  
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Nov 01, 2013 02:34 |  #63

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Is it just me, or does the 6D feel like a full frame Rebel? That's what I got from it.

I can't afford the 5D Mk III, so I've still got my eyes on the Mk II. I'd buy the 5D Mk II over the 6D any day.

if you really think that then you don't know anything about camera hardware.


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Nov 01, 2013 03:12 |  #64

I upgrade from rebel to 6D, the built and IQ is totally outstanding than rebel. Only compromise for me is only AF points, the AF is fast and accurate but just not cover wide enough.


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Nov 01, 2013 07:20 |  #65

Rittrato wrote in post #16415206 (external link)
I had a 5DM3. I actually traded mine from another member here to a 6D. I don't use the outer AF points for AI servo though, that's probably why I have a much better success. I normally shoot Single Shot and just move the outer points when necessary.

That same method with a 5DC, 5D2 gave me terrible results. The keeper rate was 2 out of 10 under a good light. I stopped doing it afterwards and just shot at F/2 and above whenever using F/1.2 and F/1.4 lenses on a 5DC/5D2 bodies. with the 6D, I would say 7 or 8 10 shots are in focus (outer points).

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Nov 01, 2013 08:00 |  #66

kin2son wrote in post #16415136 (external link)
bobbyz you know very well how they are since you own the camera.

I really don't think you need anymore confirmation from others, also everyone has different expectation.

The 6D buyers know very well what they are buying into (I hope they are!). It's a centre point only/focus recompose camera.

Then I must be extremely lucky... ;)

Since I bought my 6D I've shot low-light symphony orchestra concerts a few times, using my top AF points 90% of the time. Not just center and recompose. I discovered at the beginning that I don't have to do that since the off-center points are good enough to handle static subjects under most lighting conditions. It was a no-flash event, and I was extremely happy with the results, shooting at ISO 3200 and 6400 with no problem. At ISO 6400 the 6D has a 1-stop advantage over the 5DII, and like I said, the AF worked just fine so what's to complain about?? Should I have not used the outer AF points since I had read on a forum that they were unusable? :)

Do I go out and shoot BIF with my 6D and outer points? No, I have better tools for that stuff. I've had my best achievements in photography in wildlife shooting so I need a different tool for that, and I was fully aware of that when I bought my 6D. I needed something for portraits and low light events, as well as the occasional landscape shooting.

Again, maybe I'm just lucky but I can use the outer points reliably under reasonable conditions. Most people who buy the 6D are not after swallows zigzagging in the air. In fact, very few people are. For the rest the 6D will do just fine. With the center point it can occasionally double as a sports camera too IF you don't have any better tools at your disposal at the moment. Let's face it, the 6D is just one camera out of a wide range of full frames. Everyone has to decide what the best tool is for the job for them. Seems like these days everyone wants the über-super camera with the latest-greatest AF, super ISO performance, undestructible unobtainium build, for cheap money.

And regarding build quality of the 6D, it gets bashed so much, and I don't understand why? Is this forum full of war correspondence photographers? Or arctic explorers? I think the vast majority of us here never even come close to testing the ruggedness and weather sealing of our cameras. So I don't know what the fuss is about. I'm predominantly a wildlife photographer but no matter if I have my 7D, 70D, or 6D out in the field, if bad weather comes, I pack up and leave. It's not like I take my 70D off since it's made of crappy plastic and put my tank-like magnesium 7D on the lens since that can really take the beating :) I simply don't want any of my cameras put to risk by the elements. If I ever became a professional hot-shot nature photographer, I'd probably use a 1Dx anyway and not a 7D, or 5D series...


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Nov 01, 2013 08:43 as a reply to  @ gabebalazs's post |  #67

Strange, never a problem with my 5D2 and outer points. When I focus, they lock, they do their job.

I also often find myself above 4000 shutter outside at wide apertures with my 5D2, so for me it's definitely useful. Shutter on 5D2 has life of 150,000, not 100,000 like someone attempted to say. Do guys need to make another model look bad to attempt to make what they bought feel better?

I would be glad to test the outer points on my 5D2 any day for anyone. I have no problem with them at all in normal light. The 5D2, from what I have heard is still the most used FF dslr in the world, more than what I would ever require.




  
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Nov 01, 2013 09:18 |  #68

I just sold my Mark II to make way for a refurbed 6D.

After shooting with the MK2 for two years, here are my thoughts.

Low light performance - not even close....6D is amazing

Build - Mark II is def built better but the 6D feels like a more solid 50D....nowhere near reported 'cheapness'

IQ - Similar to Mark II but I get more keepers with the 6D. The focusing system seems to be a little smarter. 2009 tech vs 2013 so obviously something would be slightly better


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Nov 01, 2013 09:21 |  #69

sourcehill wrote in post #16415846 (external link)
Low light performance - not even close....6D is amazing

Build - Mark II is def built better but the 6D feels like a more solid 50D....nowhere near reported 'cheapness'

IQ - Similar to Mark II but I get more keepers with the 6D. The focusing system seems to be a little smarter. 2009 tech vs 2013 so obviously something would be slightly better

Same experience here.




  
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Nov 01, 2013 10:11 |  #70

sourcehill wrote in post #16415846 (external link)
I just sold my Mark II to make way for a refurbed 6D.

After shooting with the MK2 for two years, here are my thoughts.

Low light performance - not even close....6D is amazing

Build - Mark II is def built better but the 6D feels like a more solid 50D....nowhere near reported 'cheapness'

IQ - Similar to Mark II but I get more keepers with the 6D. The focusing system seems to be a little smarter. 2009 tech vs 2013 so obviously something would be slightly better

Agree completely.


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Nov 01, 2013 10:19 |  #71

gabebalazs wrote in post #16415681 (external link)
Then I must be extremely lucky... ;)

Since I bought my 6D I've shot low-light symphony orchestra concerts a few times, using my top AF points 90% of the time. Not just center and recompose. I discovered at the beginning that I don't have to do that since the off-center points are good enough to handle static subjects under most lighting conditions. It was a no-flash event, and I was extremely happy with the results, shooting at ISO 3200 and 6400 with no problem. At ISO 6400 the 6D has a 1-stop advantage over the 5DII, and like I said, the AF worked just fine so what's to complain about?? Should I have not used the outer AF points since I had read on a forum that they were unusable? :)

Gabe,

Trust me, try 5dmk3, it is next best after 1dx. If a camera had all points as good as center and had tons of them why would it not be good. There is reason 7d, 1dmk4, 1dx, 5dmk3 have those cross points. Now for some folks it doesn't matter based on what they shoot.

What I found is that using outer points on 6d at f1.4/f2 even in good light is not perfect. The problem is that these points are either horizontal senstive or vertical sensitive and sometimes don't grab well. Also layout of points makes it very hard to put the point on eyes unless I crop a lot. Even my little EOS-M lets me focus anywhere in the frame.

I shot 1 series and only using center point (with assist). With 5dmk3 I can select top 1 or 5 points when shooting running back or wide receiver coming at me. I don't have to have center point on the chest. I can put those cross point son the face. It does give better results.


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Nov 01, 2013 10:54 |  #72

OMG, I can't believe how upset, and even hostile people get about which tool they use, and don't dare say anything bad about a tool someone else owns, they'll defend it to the end. I wonder if carpenters have these same heated debates over Ryobi vs Dewalt circular saws? Toooo f-in funny.

Back on topic: I have used the 5D MKII, and did not want to buy it based on my brief experience shooting at sunset with strobes, and it struggled to focus, in light that my 7D pulled off easily. Good thing I had the 7D, it saved the day! Zack Arias said "The 5D MKII is practically a manual focus camera anyway"

With the 5D MKII, the AF issues are real, and it's not a deal breaker for many, but I did want better AF. I will not be using my camera as a hammer, and I hope to never drop it. So the build quality will be just fine. I pulled the trigger on a 6D and Canon grip for $1773, last night. Let's hope the reviews, and the stats from Canon are correct, and it focuses better than the 5D MKII. We shall see?


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Nov 01, 2013 10:55 |  #73

Bobby,
Believe me, I wish I had the funds to buy a 5DIII. When I got my 6D I saved over $1200 over the 5DIII. I remember, before my purchase I was going through the inventory at home of what I could sell to fund the 5DIII. It was like nope, I can't sell this, nope, I need this too, no, I definitely need this lens, etc. I wanted to keep my 7D too, so the only option for me to get the great IQ of the 6D was, uhm ...to buy a 6D :) (and not the 5DIII).

It's no surprise that I do prefer the AF of the 7D and 70D for off center points. Cross type vs. non cross type, the advantage is clear for cross type.
Yeah, the coverage of the AF points could be better too on the 6D. As for the vertical or horizontal off center points, I only run into problem maybe 1% of the time. So normally if the occasion calls for it I do use off center points. If they do struggle, I revert to focus and recompose.

Man, I really really need to finish editing that video of mine that I shot comparing the AF speed of my 7D and 6D, using 2 different (good) lenses, and comparing center and off center points. Maybe soon I can post it... The results were very surprising.


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Nov 01, 2013 11:05 |  #74

For the price 6ds are going for recently is steal, no denying that. You can buy 2 6d for cost of 5dmk3. I shoot lot of pictures of my kids and find that when using outer points on 6d I get more OOF shots when using wider apertures, low light/good light doesn't seem to matter much. On 5dmk3 using same lens, being cross type it helps a lot. On 5dmk3 I would leave camera in AI servo for outer points and it will nail focus for kid shots.

I did some side by side test using my 300mm f2.8 IS (when I had it) on 1dmk2 vs 5dmk3. 1dmk2 was a king of AF some yrs back and still can keep up very well for day time shoots. And I was surprised how 5dmk3 beat it in AF department. I know folks moving from 1dmk4 to 5dmk3 fo rlow ight AI servo performance.

I was thinking of going 6d/7d route and may do so as I still need to buy that 120-300mm f2.8 OS. Can't afford it right now as I already spent my bonus money of 85L and other lenses.


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Nov 01, 2013 17:53 |  #75

If you can get over the bit of a language barrier, this guy sums up the 6D pretty well.

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and one more of 6D vs 5Diii

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