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It ain't a Canon, but the Nikon Df sure looks cool!

 
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Nov 05, 2013 06:48 |  #16

If I was in the Nikon camp, I'd get one.


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Nov 05, 2013 06:50 |  #17

I've been reading about these for a while now and I can definitely say I was not expecting it to be this expensive. I was expecting more like $2400, $2500 at the most. Nevertheless, I purchased a mint condition OM-D E-M5 with olympus grip and 12-50 lens (will upgrade to 12-40 f2.8 PRO asap) for $820 (should arrive within the next 10 hours). The $1k jump (E-M5 to Sony A7, or E-M1 to Nikon Df) just isn't worth it to me (and lots of others, I'm sure) and I don't believe these systems are advanced enough just yet to replace DSLRs for the majority of users (fairly close now though). I love my 1D III for sports, and my E-M5 will be for trips, family events etc. It would be amazing if Canon were to release something similar to this Df with the 6D sensor and 5D III AF system (or close to it, at least) and use the EF mount, of course. In body IS would be amazing, but obviously won't happen due to the fact many users would not buy their IS lenses. I just wish Canon stopped designing their cameras to be a large compromise on features/performance just so they don't detract from the sales of their more expensive cameras. Nikon definitely don't seem to do this anywhere near as much.


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Nov 05, 2013 07:09 |  #18

Charlie wrote in post #16425281 (external link)
I think it has a mirror. camulet lists it as a DSLR.

anyhow, way too expensive, and what type of "Pure photography" camera offers autofocus? I heard that all the purists manually focus. No need for tripods either, balance on rocks.

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Nov 05, 2013 07:10 |  #19

After speaking with a friend, I believe the price on this is completely justifiable. You're getting a D4 sensor module and D610 focusing system. This thing is probably going to be a beast in resolution, too.

The D4 is a $6,000 camera.
This is $2700. It's a serious professional body for half the price of a D4.


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Nov 05, 2013 07:13 as a reply to  @ stang67's post |  #20

What Nikon does, canon soon follows and vice versa. You guy like it because it looks old school:lol:

Canon will have one out soon and its gonna look like an AE-1 so all us canon guys can rush right out and get one. I wont. If it cant outperform a 1Dx or a 5D3,,im not interested.

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Nov 05, 2013 07:27 |  #21

Anyone who craves this camera but thinks its a wee bit to pricey there are tons of Nikon FM's FE's
and FE2's on E-Bay. They are available in black or chrome finish and are dirt cheap. Why settle for a
copy get the real deal.




  
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Nov 05, 2013 07:47 |  #22

I'm not over keen on the looks - even less so the price! I'm all for retro ( I have a Fuji X100 ) but it needs to grow into a swan - it has too much ugly duckling about it at the moment.




  
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Nov 05, 2013 08:50 |  #23

Todd Lambert wrote in post #16425226 (external link)
I think this pretty clearly illustrates the different strategies that Canon and Nikon are taking.

Nikon is focusing on cameras targeted at photographers.

Canon is focusing on cameras targeted at videographers.

Nikon is focused at hipsters and nostalgic old farts like me. ;) But here's the rub . . . I'm sitting here looking at my FM and FE and the new DF doesn't really look like them. Leica managed to go digital and keep the camera size very close. To bad Nikon couldn't do the same thing.


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Nov 05, 2013 08:55 |  #24

TheAnt wrote in post #16425777 (external link)
This thing is probably going to be a beast in resolution, too.

The D4 is a $6,000 camera.
This is $2700. It's a serious professional body for half the price of a D4.

16MP Meh.

rather have a sony A7r at this point. Or just get a D800. I have an X100s for when I want to go hipster.


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Nov 05, 2013 09:02 |  #25

Am I the only one who is disappointed that they moved the shutter release back to the top of the body? One of the happy moments of moving from my old film SLR to the 300D was the fact that I could grasp the camera naturally and my finger landed right on the release button.

Manufacturers still feel that you have to turn your head sideways and mush your face up against the viewfinder, too. There hasn't been a lot of thought given to the basic ergonomics of cameras (except camcorders) in about 20 years.


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Nov 05, 2013 09:29 as a reply to  @ GregDunn's post |  #26

I like what Nikon is trying to do, but I don't like what they have done.

It looks like they have mashed an old fully manual film body with a new DSLR, then added a few more knobs for the hell of it.


I would love to see Canon do something similar, but do it properly.
Keep the ISO dial - makes changing easy.
Keep the Exposure comp dial, but give "0" a much stiffer detent, so it can be zeroed by feel
Keep the shutter speed dial, but give it an "A" setting (like the X100)
Put an "aperture ring" around the lens mount, with a small LCD/LED screen showing the currently set aperture (because different lenses have different max and min apertures) much like the SS dial on my old Oly OM2
Put a proper focusing screen on it, with a split image.

With an "Auto" stop on both the aperture and SS rings, you don't need that silly PASM dial, if both are in "A" it's program mode, both not on "A" and it's manual, one or the other on A and its Av and Tv - simples !


I'm sure half the buttons on the back can be gotten rid of too - the X100 is pretty simple, and I have no issues using it.


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Nov 05, 2013 09:43 |  #27

Furlan wrote in post #16425812 (external link)
Anyone who craves this camera but thinks its a wee bit to pricey there are tons of Nikon FM's FE's
and FE2's on E-Bay. They are available in black or chrome finish and are dirt cheap. Why settle for a copy get the real deal.

Hey, I've still got the real deal (a pair of FE and an FM2N, and a bunch of other vintage SLRs).

A few reasons the new Nikon Df is better than the "real deal":

1. I look really dumb and confused when I can't find the LCD on the back to do my chimpin'. :o

2. The "memory card" only holds 36 shots. And there's no changing ISO either, until you change "memory cards". High ISO performance kinda sucks, too. :rolleyes:

3. My computer doesn't have a slot for the "memory card" the old SLRs use. I've looked everywhere online and can't find the software for them, either. :(

4. The old camera's automatic white balance doesn't work very well. vmad

5. The FE2 and FM2 in particular, that MD-12 Motor Drive only gives 4.5 fps, which fills up the "memory card" in 8 seconds flat.... and DAMN that thing is loud! :rolleyes:

6. FE and FM2 autofocus is really slow, too! :confused:

7, No wireless uploads of my selfies to Instagram, with the old camera. :razz:



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Nov 05, 2013 09:54 |  #28

i don't get it...i mean is there something this camera can do that a 5DIII couldn't?


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Nov 05, 2013 09:59 |  #29

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i don't get it...i mean is there something this camera can do that a 5DIII couldn't?

Nothing at all... In fact the 5DIII is more capable in a lot of ways.

But the Df is just really retro cool looking! The 5DIII aint. And the Df is pretty darned compact for a FF camera with a 100% viewfinder.


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Nov 05, 2013 10:04 |  #30

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Nothing at all... In fact the 5DIII is more capable in a lot of ways.

But the Df is just really retro cool looking! The 5DIII aint. And the Df is pretty darned compact for a FF camera with a 100% viewfinder.

it does look cool...but as someone that wasn't a SLR film shooter, i feel like it's a lot of money for the retro look


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