$100K reward for UFO photo

OhLook wrote in post #16329488
Right, because aliens obviously have a money economy on their home planet, they use scarce and valuable resources to make gear, their mission will avoid the design issues that required us to leave things on the moon, and they think of property exactly as we do.

Well, you really have to start by wondering about "more likely to" in a debate that discusses if we have been visited by aliens or not.

But consider that you are a traveler, and are going on a trip very, very, very far from home base. Then it would be likely that you need to be a bit careful about what objects you can bring with you. We can't just assume that all they need is a bit of energy and some soil to recreate lost equipment. So while "salary" was a joke, it would be very likely that they would care about their gear. How would you value gear if you went on a many years long trip to a place where there are no stores that can sell you new equipment? It is quite likely that a traveler comming tens or hundres or thousands of light years would favour a sustainable system where they keep track of resources consumed. So if leaving any artifacts, it would be most logical that the artifacts left would have been produced from material already available here on earth, and not wasting hard-to-replace materials brought from home-base. Are you of a different view?

pwm2 wrote in post #16330250
Well, you really have to start by wondering about "more likely to" in a debate that discusses if we have been visited by aliens or not.

But consider that you are a traveler, and are going on a trip very, very, very far from home base. Then it would be likely that you need to be a bit careful about what objects you can bring with you. . . . Are you of a different view?

My view is that if there are aliens capable of space travel at all, they're likely to be so different from us that there's very little we can say about them with confidence--what items they might need on a journey, how they might think. Instead of little green men, they might be arumbostish clavadorian quillies. Do you know what that means? Neither do I, and that's the point.

C'mon....we all know those aliens with warp travel capacity also have cloaking technology and follow the prime directive of not interfering with our lives...nor seen.

People have complained that I have posted nothing but links to UFO websites. So I'm posting this one from a skeptic website.

http://www.skepdic.com​/aliens.html

I chose it because we haven't talked a lot about alien abduction. And my personal skepticism on that subject.

Right away they offer a questionable statement from Phillip Klass. Does that suggest that no one has ever come into your home because they didn't steal your camera? I'm being facetious but really, not much of an argument IMO.

I can't really disagree with the second quote. The third quote uses the tired old we can't get there from here argument. pwm2 addressed that very well in post #271 IMO.

The article then states that according to a poll 33% of Americans think that aliens have visited Earth. Then slaps the cult label on those people. I guess my cult membership card is being withheld because I only believe in the possibility of visitation.

They go on to say that all alleged abductees describe the aliens in the same way. This is simply not true. They even bring the little green guy in. I've read hundreds of accounts of alien sightings and abductions yet only one or two mention the color green.

The rest of the article I don't find a lot of fault with. Maybe because I'm predisposed to believe that hypnosis is a questionable technique for discovering the truth. I should mention that I have read Hopkins, Strieber and Mack.

I would like to see a geographical distribution of alien abduction cases. I have read that it affects English speaking countries at a much greater rate then other countries. I believe this would be due to our exposure to "alien abductions" in film and the media.

If this is the case, it would imply that it is a cultural delusion as opposed to an actual phenomenon. Unfortunately, I've found that UFO researchers are as bad at managing their data as they are designing websites.

Footbag wrote in post #16331128
I would like to see a geographical distribution of alien abduction cases. I have read that it affects English speaking countries at a much greater rate then other countries. I believe this would be due to our exposure to "alien abductions" in film and the media.

If this is the case, it would imply that it is a cultural delusion as opposed to an actual phenomenon. Unfortunately, I've found that UFO researchers are as bad at managing their data as they are designing websites.

I don't know of any maps that show geographical distribution of abduction cases. There is at least one of the US showing sightings. Some say the distribution shows a strong element of military involvement. But considering the number of military installations in the country that may be just conjecture.

One of the first cases of abduction was this one: http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Antonio_Vilas_B​oas

His description of the abductors doesn't jive with any movie I've ever seen. Given the nature of his story of the events maybe he should have submitted it to Playboy After Dark.

OhLook wrote in post #16330382
My view is that if there are aliens capable of space travel at all, they're likely to be so different from us that there's very little we can say about them with confidence--what items they might need on a journey, how they might think. Instead of little green men, they might be arumbostish clavadorian quillies. Do you know what that means? Neither do I, and that's the point.

Sorry, I might be totally wrong, but I was under the impression that just about everything in this thread was based on speculation. I just can't know - maybe you can? But all forms of speculation always involves confience - just that sometimes the confidence interval is wider, and sometimes narrower.

breal101 wrote in post #16331191
I don't know of any maps that show geographical distribution of abduction cases. There is at least one of the US showing sightings. Some say the distribution shows a strong element of military involvement. But considering the number of military installations in the country that may be just conjecture.

One of the first cases of abduction was this one: http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Antonio_Vilas_B​oas

His description of the abductors doesn't jive with any movie I've ever seen. Given the nature of his story of the events maybe he should have submitted it to Playboy After Dark.

His description would make a great 70's porn movie! It doesn't fit with any other abduction case I've heard of. Aliens in overalls?!? Maybe that could be the title.

Heh! Let's have the movie!

OhLook wrote in post #16330382
My view is that if there are aliens capable of space travel at all, they're likely to be so different from us that there's very little we can say about them with confidence--what items they might need on a journey, how they might think. Instead of little green men, they might be arumbostish clavadorian quillies. Do you know what that means? Neither do I, and that's the point.

Right. I have always found it funny to hear sincere deductions like "if there were aliens how come we can not see their radio or television broadcasts?" BTW, If they do surf our TV channels it is no wonder they will not want any personal contact with us.

Regarding the Russian UFO landing, I found an article about it:

Open Minds
2013 Issue 21, p64
openminds.tv

$100k, are you kidding me. I'm holding on to my shots until I can at least make as much as Terry Richardson.

The OP stated twice in his first three posts that it is a fact "we are not alone"
Since it's illegal to make false claims on the internet and he's not been arrested, it must be true. Couple that with a documentary screened several years ago, Blake's Heaven (or something) which covered a year in the life of the alien Grath Hunt and the evidence is overwhelming.

When most of his fellow-aliens returned home, Grath stayed behind and was granted an Earth Visa. He went on to have a successful acting career and was featured in an advert where he would magically shoogle coffee beans in his hand.
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=afxEIyAgjaY
He certainly picked up enough sweary words judging by that.

One other alien who featured in Blake's Heaven, also popped up in other, better known documentaries such as Flash Gordon and Star Wars. We are much blessed that this Stentorian impersonator decided to remain with us.

If yet more evidence is required, I once watched a Youtube video of a wee drunk guy on a train near Newcastle, who claimed he was an alien. His actions left no doubt that he was telling the truth.

I claim my reward.