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Nov 06, 2013 00:18 |  #496

kin2son wrote in post #16428178 (external link)
Indeed.

The extra-sensitive center point on the 6D is a gimmick more than anything and has no real advantage under real life shooting over other similar models.

5D3 can focus in very dark environment already, anything darker is almost pitch black meaning the resulting photo will be unusable anyway like you described.

The 5D3 AF is better than 6D, no argument with cheaper price.
For me 6D is better for me than 5D3, lighter and smaller body(because I travel and hiking a lot), built in wifi(very usefull "gimmick"), GPS(good for travel), exchangeable focus screen.


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Nov 06, 2013 08:10 |  #497

kin2son wrote in post #16428178 (external link)
Indeed.

The extra-sensitive center point on the 6D is a gimmick more than anything and has no real advantage under real life shooting over other similar models.

5D3 can focus in very dark environment already, anything darker is almost pitch black meaning the resulting photo will be unusable anyway like you described.

Take a look at this. I find Mr Dougdale to be an unbiased reviewer and informative.

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=ekBvqJbmXG4 (external link)

Or This

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=3F2_45guVck (external link)


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Nov 06, 2013 08:18 |  #498
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OuttaCtrl wrote in post #16428886 (external link)
Take a look at this. I find Mr Dougdale to be an unbiased reviewer and informative.

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=ekBvqJbmXG4 (external link)

You forget, more to the point, Kin2son is not.


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Nov 06, 2013 08:20 |  #499

OuttaCtrl - Come to my house and you can try both? Bring your 6d and maybe we can test that also for its outer points. Look the guy in that video didn't say what light conditions were but to me they look like ISO256000, f1.4, 1/30 or worse. In that light (or even 1-2 stops more) in my opinion, the resulting pictures are going to be crap (sorry the language). Lighting makes bigger change than any ISO IMHO.

I really wish I had some time this yr as I would love to buy 120-300mm f2.8 OS and take to couple of night time football games with both cameras and try.

Regarding sports folks using center only, I can only speak of 1dmk2 vs 5dmk3. On 1dmk2 I mostly used center as it more sensitive and keeping center on chest is much easier than say outer point on the face. But using any points and with canon 300mm f2.8 IS I, 5dmk3 kicked my 1dmk2 in AF department. I didn't have 6d at the time so no tests with it. And I feel bad for letting go of my 1dmk2.


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Nov 06, 2013 08:27 |  #500

I find all this controversy about the 6D to be ridiculous. Why not accept the 6D for what it is, rather than what it isn't. If its feature set works for you, then enjoy it. If you need a different feature set, then quit grousing and pony up the money for the camera you think you need. If you can't afford that one, well, that's life. But don't vent your frustration on the 6D, which is a terrific camera for what it is.

Here's a great quote which I read yesterday on another forum: Our equipment does not prevent us from doing ANYTHING at this point, but our endless chasing of the next big thing does."


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Nov 06, 2013 08:38 |  #501

bobbyz wrote in post #16428913 (external link)
...Look the guy in that video didn't say what light conditions were but to me they look like ISO256000, f1.4, 1/30 or worse. In that light (or even 1-2 stops more) in my opinion, the resulting pictures are going to be crap (sorry the language). Lighting makes bigger change than any ISO IMHO.

I will ask him. BTW doesn't your sig states you have a 6D anyways but I might take you up on it. Lemme check my schedule and get back to you.


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Nov 06, 2013 08:46 |  #502

Dave Jenkins wrote in post #16428925 (external link)
I find all this controversy about the 6D to be ridiculous. Why not accept the 6D for what it is, rather than what it isn't. If its feature set works for you, then enjoy it. If you need a different feature set, then quit grousing and pony up the money for the camera you think you need. If you can't afford that one, well, that's life. But don't vent your frustration on the 6D, which is a terrific camera for what it is.

Here's a great quote which I read yesterday on another forum: Our equipment does not prevent us from doing ANYTHING at this point, but our endless chasing of the next big thing does."

I 110% agree with you. Cameras are simply tools. Each tool may not work well with every individual thus use the tool that works best for that person behind the viewfinder.


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Nov 06, 2013 09:03 |  #503

kin2son wrote in post #16428178 (external link)
Indeed.

The extra-sensitive center point on the 6D is a gimmick more than anything and has no real advantage under real life shooting over other similar models.

5D3 can focus in very dark environment already, anything darker is almost pitch black meaning the resulting photo will be unusable anyway like you described.

gimmick or not, it's bragging rights ;)

on a related note, I'm starting to think the 6D outer points are somewhat ok IF you are super aware of the orientation. They also dont expand, so you need to be aware of the size of your target too. IMO, this is way too much to ask of the average user or even advance user, but I think I can start to work with it (may take weeks to get it down).

Orientation seems to make a huge difference in whether or not I acquire AF.


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Nov 06, 2013 09:08 |  #504

OuttaCtrl wrote in post #16428963 (external link)
I will ask him. BTW doesn't your sig states you have a 6D anyways but I might take you up on it. Lemme check my schedule and get back to you.

I do that is why I tested both and they both work fine past light getting so bad that end shots suck.:) Most I shoot is ISO6400, f1.4, 1/30 and both cameras work fine for another 1 stop.


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Nov 06, 2013 09:16 |  #505

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Orientation seems to make a huge difference in whether or not I acquire AF.

It would be extremely surprising if the orientation didn't matter. A line sensor is one-dimensional. Think about making a crop 100x1 pixel from somewhere in a photo and also make a 1x100 crop. The camera can only produce good gocus if that thin line happens to have some sharp contrast visible. A striped shirt with the stripes following that line is no good - the shirt stripes needs to cross that little cropped 1-pixel line for the camera to have something to compute.


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Nov 06, 2013 09:20 |  #506

kin2son wrote in post #16428178 (external link)
Indeed.

The extra-sensitive center point on the 6D is a gimmick more than anything and has no real advantage under real life shooting over other similar models.

5D3 can focus in very dark environment already, anything darker is almost pitch black meaning the resulting photo will be unusable anyway like you described.

Not so at all. I shoot sunset portraits with strobes all the time, and the 7D struggles with focus many times when it's the best time for colors in the sky, up to 45 min or so after sunset. The extra low light sensitivity will be welcomed!


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Nov 06, 2013 09:29 |  #507

OT - Charlie, just doing quick tests with 85L on my 6d and it seems to be working quite nice. Tried center as well as outer points and they seem to grab focus fast. Hopefully I get to use for a model shoot soon.:)


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Nov 06, 2013 09:34 |  #508

Bobbyz,
Please clarify. Did you say that before your upper most AF point would not lock on, or give accurate focus? Is that still the case?


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Nov 06, 2013 09:55 |  #509

rsieminski wrote in post #16429119 (external link)
Bobbyz,
Please clarify. Did you say that before your upper most AF point would not lock on, or give accurate focus? Is that still the case?

The upper/lower point problems are in AI servo mode. In one shot they ok as long as I keep the target and AF point orientation in my mind.

I was just telling Charlie as his 85L has issues with outer points on 6d even in one shot mode (I guess). So far my tests are indoors but light is good here in the office.


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Nov 06, 2013 10:51 |  #510

Sample variation? At f/1.2 it could be a number of things though


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