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Nov 06, 2013 15:42 |  #16

Does anyone want Wifi? I think it's the only feature that I might like adding, as I occasionally use remote shooting.

Btw andrikos, I am biased as I have a little crush on captain slow (I find him attractive :D )


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Nov 06, 2013 15:52 |  #17

I don't want ... a Canon sensor.
I don't want ... a price tag higher than the original 7D.
I don't want ... claims of "better high ISO noise" that are only the result of ever-more-extreme JPG noise reduction.

(Since we are obviously asking for things that aren't going to happen.)


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Nov 06, 2013 15:52 |  #18

Geordie Amanda wrote in post #16430206 (external link)
Does anyone want Wifi? I think it's the only feature that I might like adding, as I occasionally use remote shooting.

Btw andrikos, I am biased as I have a little crush on captain slow (I find him attractive :D )

:)


Yes wifi for me is definitely on the "want" list.
I also like a GPS capability which is an even cheaper chipset than wifi.
I like touchscreeens (the one on the EOS M is great) and a flippy screen is also useful for macros unless there's wifi where you can control your shots from a smartphone/iPad.

Sorry, I'm a sucker for useful technology... :)


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Nov 06, 2013 16:00 |  #19

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I don't want ... a Canon sensor.
I don't want ... a price tag higher than the original 7D.
I don't want ... claims of "better high ISO noise" that are only the result of ever-more-extreme JPG noise reduction.

(Since we are obviously asking for things that aren't going to happen.)

I figured that as we can't agree at all about what we all want in a 7D II, we might have a general consensus of what we don't want. I agree about the iso remark in particular


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Nov 06, 2013 16:06 |  #20

I absolutely, positively don't want a cup holder; they do have them in the German market because the Germans are serious about what they are doing and don't want any distractions.

BTW.. stupid thread!


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Nov 06, 2013 16:08 |  #21

hairy_moth wrote in post #16430282 (external link)
I absolutely, positively don't want a cup holder; they do have them in the German market because the Germans are serious about what they are doing and don't want any distractions.

BTW.. stupid thread!

Thank you for taking the time out to post in it though :)


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Nov 06, 2013 16:13 |  #22

Geordie Amanda wrote in post #16430265 (external link)
I figured that as we can't agree at all about what we all want in a 7D II, we might have a general consensus of what we don't want. I agree about the iso remark in particular

+1 If you haven't improved iso performance, you shouldn't be introducing a new camera.


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Nov 06, 2013 16:23 |  #23

I keep reading that the 70D sensor isn't really any better at higher iso levels than the current 7D, so I definitely don't want that sensor. Perhaps Canon are 'up to something' to improve our lot (please)


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Nov 06, 2013 16:39 |  #24

I don't think we need to see a new 7D2 at all - or, for that matter, a new 1Dx. At least not in the form of an SLR camera.

The 7D and 1Dx are action cameras. Frame rate is paramount, as is performance at high ISO - just like video. It doesn't take a huge jump in data bandwidth to go from 14fps, or even 8fps, up to the 25-30fps required for video - certainly well within the engineering capabilities of Canon, Nikon or Sony. The real limitation is the physical movement of the mirror.

As stills frame rate and video resolution increases, the gap between action stills cameras and video cameras becomes ever-smaller. So, why not eliminate it entirely? It's certainly possible to output full-resolution RAW from current sensors. And there's no reason on-sensor phase-detection AF, using dual-pixel technology (or quad-pixel, for cross-type) can't be as fast as current off-sensor designs.

Make the 7D2 an APS-C video camera capable of full-resolution RAW video output, and make the 1Dx2 the full-frame version of the same. That way, you'd have the ultimate action stills camera.




  
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Nov 06, 2013 16:49 |  #25

Not having read too much on the 70Ds dual photocell autofocus thingie, does anyone know if adopting this system is at all detrimental to the image quality of a standard sensor?


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Nov 06, 2013 17:08 |  #26

Geordie Amanda wrote in post #16430385 (external link)
Not having read too much on the 70Ds dual photocell autofocus thingie, does anyone know if adopting this system is at all detrimental to the image quality of a standard sensor?

Certainly no more than using a mirror to divert some of the light to a separate AF sensor...




  
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Nov 06, 2013 17:13 |  #27

Shadowblade wrote in post #16430429 (external link)
Certainly no more than using a mirror to divert some of the light to a separate AF sensor...

Ah, I thought that when it shot video, the new sensor managed to do something clever with the autofocus. So the sensor was a new fangled type



I will go away and read up on it :)


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Nov 06, 2013 18:09 |  #28

Geordie Amanda wrote in post #16430385 (external link)
Not having read too much on the 70Ds dual photocell autofocus thingie, does anyone know if adopting this system is at all detrimental to the image quality of a standard sensor?

It doesn't seem to be. RAW performance of the new sensor is basically the same as the 7D with banding reduced.


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Nov 06, 2013 18:14 |  #29

Shadowblade wrote in post #16430429 (external link)
Certainly no more than using a mirror to divert some of the light to a separate AF sensor...

I believe only Sony offers a pellicle mirror system. All Canon DSLR cameras move the mirror out of the way before taking the image.

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Ah, I thought that when it shot video, the new sensor managed to do something clever with the autofocus. So the sensor was a new fangled type

It is. The Canon 70D has the new dual pixel sensor allowing for on sensor phase detect AF. Others have done this as well but only with a limited number of pixels. Canons cover almost all of them.


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Nov 06, 2013 18:41 |  #30

Geordie Amanda wrote in post #16430206 (external link)
Does anyone want Wifi? I think it's the only feature that I might like adding, as I occasionally use remote shooting.

I don't need wifi but a sub $1k price would be nice




  
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