Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EOS Digital Cameras 
Thread started 06 Nov 2013 (Wednesday) 02:57
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

Going all full frame, will I miss the crop sensor?

 
idsurfer
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
5,677 posts
Gallery: 82 photos
Best ofs: 6
Likes: 2128
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Boise, Idaho
     
Nov 06, 2013 07:54 as a reply to  @ post 16428806 |  #16

moltengold wrote in post #16428524 (external link)
i like the crop bodies
but after buying and trying the 5D2 , 5D3 and the 6D
i feel i cant go back to the crop
when i need a crop photo just crop it from the FF photos and with better result too

This is what i do. I could never give up the IQ/low light performance of the 5D3.
BTW, hey there Kim!


Cory
Sony ⍺6500 | Samyang 2/12 | Sony/Zeiss E 1.8/24 | Sony E 1.8/50
flickr (external link)

Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
frankwite
Senior Member
Avatar
400 posts
Joined May 2008
     
Nov 06, 2013 08:22 |  #17

Over a year ago I sold my t2i and 60D to pick up a new 5D2 and an original 5D. I instantly missed the t2i but thought that I only missed it bc of the size. Fast forward a year and 2 months later (1 week ago) I picked up the SL1 because I really really missed the reach and I wanted a small dslr that I could take with me instead of my LX7 compact camera.

I don't shoot wildlife either, but I do take my kids to the zoo every year and I totally missed having that extra reach. I didn't care to buy an extender and lose a stop of light either. Plus buying the canon brand extender was as expensive as buying a rebel (just a little less). So I chose to buy the SL1 and now I'm extremely happy to have my reach back and a small camera with dslr quality.

I had hoped that I could get over losing the reach from my t2i since my 5D's iq was so superior but I couldn't do it. I wished that I had never sold my t2i, because of it's size and reach.


5D ll | 5D | SL1 | Lumix LX7 | 24-105L| 70-200L| 135L| 85 1.8| 50 1.4| 28 1.8| 50 1.8 ll| 40 2.8 STM| 35 2.0|75-300 lll|18-55 STM| 28-75 2.8

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MalVeauX
"Looks rough and well used"
Avatar
12,921 posts
Gallery: 1360 photos
Best ofs: 4
Likes: 8985
Joined Feb 2013
Location: Florida
     
Nov 06, 2013 09:01 |  #18

Heya,

I think having both is very valuable. A less expensive, smaller, lighter weight crop sensor with a longer reach with a telephoto is a very good setup to have in your arsenal. Right next to a very high quality full frame sensor, with something more wide angle or normal that performs better in low light and simply has less noise in general.

The cost difference is rather staggering.

I think if your living comes from photography, it's a no brainer, you probably have both or probably have the full frame.

I think if you're an enthusiast with a lot of expendable cash, then it doesn't matter, whatever flavor of the month will probably be sold to you.

And if you're a budget minded consumer, budding into an enthusiast, you'll probably be on a crop.

Very best,


My Flickr (external link) :: My Astrobin (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Grayheron
Member
73 posts
Joined Jul 2007
Location: Auckland New Zealand
     
Nov 07, 2013 03:11 |  #19

This thread has made very interesting reading, as I have just traded my 7D for a 1Ds III. I have lost 8 fps, 5 fps 1Ds, high ISO. I have gained better DOF, wider angle with EF 17 -40, a EF 24 - 105 that has a perspective that my brain is us to. Went to digital seven years ago, used film for more than 20 years so when looking a a scene I would see if from a FF perspective. I have also gain a bigger image file which I can crop and still have a large image. Also a faster focusing, so very happy with the change.


Bruce.
EOS 1Ds 3, a couple of L Lens Speedlite 600EX. /Manfrotto 190B tripod with 352RC head. 479 - 4B monopod.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dscri001
Senior Member
480 posts
Gallery: 3 photos
Likes: 65
Joined Dec 2011
Location: Virginia Beach, Virgina
     
Nov 07, 2013 03:22 |  #20

If I don’t sell the body+lens I would just keep the 7D as it has been a great camera for me so far. It’s not necessarily about getting a new body but more about what to do if I decide to save a good friend some money. Not to repeat myself but if I don’t sell it to him, I will keep the combo. Not singling you out, please no offense intended. I greatly appreciate that you took the time to respond. I just wanted to make that clear to anyone who may like to offer further suggestions.

No problem! It's what we're here for. And I had the 7D. It was VERY hard for me to let it go. I would not hesitate to buy it again to go along with my 6D.


-Tyler I II
EOS 6DII, EF 16-35mm f/4 ISL, EF 35 f/1.4L II, EF 85 f/1.8, EF 70-200mm f/2.8L

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
tickerguy
Senior Member
595 posts
Joined Dec 2012
     
Nov 07, 2013 10:50 |  #21

I would NOT get rid of the 7D.

For sports or wildlife where reach matters, especially when coupled with a need for high-performance AF it's a beast. The 5d3 (having recently bought one) wins for everything else, but there is no way you can crop down from the 5d3 to an equivalent FOV and wind up in the same place. It simply doesn't work on the math and it doesn't work in practice either provided you have sufficient light. The 5d3 is every bit the AF beast the 7d is, but reach is reach and you can't get there with more glass unless you spend a LOT of money.

The 7d body isn't all that expensive nowdays either. I might sell the 17-55 if I was in your position and are looking for a way to partially finance the other zoom, because you have that range covered on the FF with a 24-70L.

This would give you:

1. Moderate wide-angle on FF in a prime, and "effectively normal" in a prime on the crop.
2. Everything EXCEPT ultra-wide-angle all the way to ~300mm between the two bodies with a decently-wide aperture, and all of it good glass.

I would not put the 1.4x behind the 70-200 as a sub to the 7d body. Beyond slowing down AF performance somewhat and somewhat harming IQ you're also getting rid of your redundancy on the body, which you currently have already paid for. When you add it up you're going to buy a converter and sell a body, and so you get back a small amount of money but lose being able to grab the longer combination instantly (if you have both setups with you) and if your 5d3 goes down you have nothing until it is fixed. I own the 1.4 TCIII and use it when I need it, but I will reach for the 7d with the 70-200L on it every time before I'll stack the 1.4 behind the same lens on the 5d3.


Canon 7D & 5d3, EF-S 15-85, 24-105L, 70-200L f/4 IS, 100mm Macro/L, EF 50 f/1.4 and more

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
colintf
Senior Member
295 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Apr 2012
Location: Bristol, UK
     
Nov 07, 2013 11:35 as a reply to  @ tickerguy's post |  #22

I have 5d3 and 7d

I love the 5d3 for motorsports use (even with the 100-400 its still amazing).

my 5d3 24-105 has yet to replace my 7d 17-55f2.8 combo as my normal walk about kit.

I often have the 17-40 on the 5d3 to complement it.

not sure how the two would compare. I guess the 17-55 7d is less likley to suffer from flare or distortion at the wide end compared to 5d3 and 24-105. Not compared the two in the dark yet either

for time being I am keeping the 7d as well

:cool:




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
BenLeaman
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
Avatar
132 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Sep 2013
Location: Philly suburbs
     
Nov 07, 2013 11:58 |  #23

tickerguy wrote in post #16432141 (external link)
I would NOT get rid of the 7D.

For sports or wildlife where reach matters, especially when coupled with a need for high-performance AF it's a beast. The 5d3 (having recently bought one) wins for everything else, but there is no way you can crop down from the 5d3 to an equivalent FOV and wind up in the same place. It simply doesn't work on the math and it doesn't work in practice either provided you have sufficient light. The 5d3 is every bit the AF beast the 7d is, but reach is reach and you can't get there with more glass unless you spend a LOT of money.

The 7d body isn't all that expensive nowdays either. I might sell the 17-55 if I was in your position and are looking for a way to partially finance the other zoom, because you have that range covered on the FF with a 24-70L.

This would give you:

1. Moderate wide-angle on FF in a prime, and "effectively normal" in a prime on the crop.
2. Everything EXCEPT ultra-wide-angle all the way to ~300mm between the two bodies with a decently-wide aperture, and all of it good glass.

I would not put the 1.4x behind the 70-200 as a sub to the 7d body. Beyond slowing down AF performance somewhat and somewhat harming IQ you're also getting rid of your redundancy on the body, which you currently have already paid for. When you add it up you're going to buy a converter and sell a body, and so you get back a small amount of money but lose being able to grab the longer combination instantly (if you have both setups with you) and if your 5d3 goes down you have nothing until it is fixed. I own the 1.4 TCIII and use it when I need it, but I will reach for the 7d with the 70-200L on it every time before I'll stack the 1.4 behind the same lens on the 5d3.

colintf wrote in post #16432249 (external link)
I have 5d3 and 7d

I love the 5d3 for motorsports use (even with the 100-400 its still amazing).

my 5d3 24-105 has yet to replace my 7d 17-55f2.8 combo as my normal walk about kit.

I often have the 17-40 on the 5d3 to complement it.

not sure how the two would compare. I guess the 17-55 7d is less likley to suffer from flare or distortion at the wide end compared to 5d3 and 24-105. Not compared the two in the dark yet either

for time being I am keeping the 7d as well

:cool:

Thanks guys. I have been going back and forth over this and the points you both just made are what I keep coming back to. If I keep the 7D, I can swap out all the lens with both bodies and have a huge spectrum of focal lengths to choose from. Currently without the need of a 1.4TC.
I also like the fact that this lens is paid for and in my possession plus I know that is is good to go.
I think my buddy might be S.O.L.


5DIII | 1DsIII | 60D | 16-35L 4.0 IS | 50L 1.2 | 70-200L 2.8 IS ii | 580 EX ii |
Marketplace Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
guntoter
Goldmember
Avatar
2,409 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 76
Joined Nov 2008
Location: Knoxville, Tn
     
Nov 07, 2013 14:33 |  #24

BenLeaman wrote in post #16428461 (external link)
- 5Diii
- 7D
- 35L (Don't know about this lens)
- 70-200L 2.8 IS ii
- 17-55 2.8 IS
- *soon*24-70L 2.8 ii (I need to save for a couple more pay periods before buying it)

Wow,
Except for the 35L, the remainder of that list I consider a dream set-up. The 7D, 17-55, and 70-200 I already have. Add the 5DIII and 24-70L 2.8 and I am in heaven.
I also have a 2x extender for the 70-200 and that helps on birds as well.

As to the subject of the thread, I don't ever want to be without my cropper. I love the 7D.


Joel
GEAR
Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Photorebel
Senior Member
622 posts
Joined Apr 2006
     
Nov 07, 2013 15:20 |  #25

moltengold wrote in post #16428524 (external link)
i like the crop bodies
but after buying and trying the 5D2 , 5D3 and the 6D
i feel i cant go back to the crop
when i need a crop photo just crop it from the FF photos and with better result too

I feel the same way. Just hard for me to go back to a crop body. Then again, I'm not shooting sports or BIF, so I don't really need the reach.


-Jeff
5DIII, 60D, 50 f/1.2L, 85 f/1.8,100 f/2.8L, 24-105f/4L
480 EXII

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
34,558 posts
Gallery: 89 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 4417
Joined May 2002
Location: Northern Indiana
     
Nov 07, 2013 18:09 |  #26

BenLeaman wrote in post #16428461 (external link)
Hello everyone,

I would like opinions on yet ANOTHER “what should I do” scenario. Currently my gear list is:
I’ll type it out since the items in my signature will change from what’s currently shown in the future.

- 5Diii
- 7D
- 35L
- 70-200L 2.8 IS ii
- 17-55 2.8 IS
- *soon*24-70L 2.8 ii (I need to save for a couple more pay periods before buying it)

I travel a lot for work and find myself shooting landscapes, cities, people and touristy things. When at home, I generally shoot all the same stuff but I haven’t really formed any style yet so I pretty much take pictures of everything. 95% of the time I have been using the 5D with the 35mm and the 7D gets the 70-200mm. If I need something wider, I put the 17-55mm onto the 7D.

My friend would like to buy a 7D and 17-55. We talked and concluded with the possibly of him purchasing mine. I feel pretty comfortable doing that as I would turn around and buy a 6D for use as my second body. In that case, I envision my combination turning into 24-70 on the 5D and the 70-200 on the 6D. The only thing I think I may regret is the loss of the “extra reach” of the crop sensor with my 70-200.

I have used the 70-200 on my 5D but not very often as I generally keep it locked to the 7D. So I don’t really know if I would want more length off the top of my head. Last night I did some comparison shots in the hotel room and the difference is definitely considerable. So I am trying to decide if it’s worth going all full-frame and picking up a 1.4 converter (if desired down the road) or to just keep the 7D body and not have yet another item to drag with me?

Has anyone that went from crop sensor to full-frame experienced anything similar?
If so, how has the change to FF been?
If not, what made you decide to stick with the crop?

I am sure that this has been discussed ad nauseam over the years. I tried searching but I couldn’t come up with any results that applied to my question. I have begun reading the 4.7 billion pages of tele-converter threads but there’s sooooo much. Ultimately, I see this as a “go full-frame or not” thread so I posted it here. If it should move, please let me know.

Advice, anecdotes, links to other threads and good jokes are welcomed.

Thank you,
Ben

You can see my setup as compared to yours. Given the exact bodies you have (5d3 vs 7D), the only thing you give up by selling the 7D is really the pixel on target for the focal lengths you have. A 5D3 cropped to match the FOV of the 7D at 200mm, then resized up won't be the same quality as the 7D. If you put a high quality 1.4x TC on your 200mm on the 5D3, then the differences greatly diminish, but you also lose a stop of light doing this, and thus will raise your ISO, reducing some of the advantages there. I did this very comparison in my 5D3 vs 7D head to head review. If you end up getting a longer lens to complement your current EF line up to make up the difference, then you won't need the 7D at all.

I keep the 7D around for both the reach it gives me, and I put all my wear and tear on the 7D vs the 5D3. I pretty much have restricted the 5D3 to my portrait business, and the 7D for about everything else.

Now if you had a different FF body like the 6D, or 5D1/5D2, the answer would be a slightly different, simply due to the 19 AF point and AF performance vs that on the 6D.


Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
BenLeaman
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
Avatar
132 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Sep 2013
Location: Philly suburbs
     
Nov 08, 2013 02:46 |  #27

guntoter wrote in post #16432668 (external link)
Wow,
Except for the 35L, the remainder of that list I consider a dream set-up. The 7D, 17-55, and 70-200 I already have. Add the 5DIII and 24-70L 2.8 and I am in heaven.
I also have a 2x extender for the 70-200 and that helps on birds as well.

As to the subject of the thread, I don't ever want to be without my cropper. I love the 7D.

Thanks, I feel like once the 24-70 is purchased I will be content with my bodies/lens kit. It will be my dream set-up too.

I just bought the Samyang 14mm because it looks to be such a great lens for the price. So that UWA is covered. UPS man comes today!


5DIII | 1DsIII | 60D | 16-35L 4.0 IS | 50L 1.2 | 70-200L 2.8 IS ii | 580 EX ii |
Marketplace Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
BenLeaman
THREAD ­ STARTER
Member
Avatar
132 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Sep 2013
Location: Philly suburbs
     
Nov 08, 2013 02:49 |  #28

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16433149 (external link)
You can see my setup as compared to yours. Given the exact bodies you have (5d3 vs 7D), the only thing you give up by selling the 7D is really the pixel on target for the focal lengths you have. A 5D3 cropped to match the FOV of the 7D at 200mm, then resized up won't be the same quality as the 7D. If you put a high quality 1.4x TC on your 200mm on the 5D3, then the differences greatly diminish, but you also lose a stop of light doing this, and thus will raise your ISO, reducing some of the advantages there. I did this very comparison in my 5D3 vs 7D head to head review. If you end up getting a longer lens to complement your current EF line up to make up the difference, then you won't need the 7D at all.

I keep the 7D around for both the reach it gives me, and I put all my wear and tear on the 7D vs the 5D3. I pretty much have restricted the 5D3 to my portrait business, and the 7D for about everything else.

Now if you had a different FF body like the 6D, or 5D1/5D2, the answer would be a slightly different, simply due to the 19 AF point and AF performance vs that on the 6D.

Thanks dude! That is the kind of input I was looking for. That's really helpful. I appreciate it.


5DIII | 1DsIII | 60D | 16-35L 4.0 IS | 50L 1.2 | 70-200L 2.8 IS ii | 580 EX ii |
Marketplace Feedback

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
johneo
Goldmember
Avatar
1,428 posts
Joined Aug 2003
Location: North Kingstown, RI
     
Nov 08, 2013 07:25 |  #29

I honestly don't think I would miss my crop cameras (7D & 10D) for my FF cameras. Then again, I don't think I'd miss my FF cameras for my crop cameras!
I think it's more the quality of the photos them self that wants me to keep what I have. Love the 7D as well as my 5DMKII, and that is why I keep them.
If I am going off to "play" with my cameras, no matter what I might be interested in shooting, I usually bring the 5DMKII AND the 7D. If I am asked to shoot something, such as a wedding or family photos (or such) I'll usually leave the 7D at home and use a different lens on each of my 5DMKII's

Having said that, I've never really given a lot of attention to Crop vs. FF ... to me, it's more of "Which lens will get me the better shot with THIS CAMERA?" THIS CAMERA being the one I have at THAT moment, be it the 5DMKII, 7D, 5D, 10D or even my uhhh, 35mm camera  :o


2 - 5DMKII's, Powershot SX 150 IS
7D, 5D, IR/5D, 10D, IR/10D, Elan 7NE
17-40 L, 24-70 L, 70-200 f/2.8 L IS, 100-400 L IS,
TS-E 24 f/3.5 L, 28-135 IS (x2), 50 f/1.8, 85 f/1.8 550EX, 430EX
40mm pancake

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
TeamSpeed
01010100 01010011
Avatar
34,558 posts
Gallery: 89 photos
Best ofs: 2
Likes: 4417
Joined May 2002
Location: Northern Indiana
     
Nov 08, 2013 08:42 |  #30

johneo wrote in post #16434285 (external link)
I honestly don't think I would miss my crop cameras (7D & 10D) for my FF cameras. Then again, I don't think I'd miss my FF cameras for my crop cameras!
I think it's more the quality of the photos them self that wants me to keep what I have. Love the 7D as well as my 5DMKII, and that is why I keep them.
If I am going off to "play" with my cameras, no matter what I might be interested in shooting, I usually bring the 5DMKII AND the 7D. If I am asked to shoot something, such as a wedding or family photos (or such) I'll usually leave the 7D at home and use a different lens on each of my 5DMKII's

Having said that, I've never really given a lot of attention to Crop vs. FF ... to me, it's more of "Which lens will get me the better shot with THIS CAMERA?" THIS CAMERA being the one I have at THAT moment, be it the 5DMKII, 7D, 5D, 10D or even my uhhh, 35mm camera  :o

Very sensible and exactly how I approach what I shoot. I never think "self, which camera is best", but instead take a look at my lenses and my cameras, and think "self, which lens and which body will get the job done".


Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery (external link) My Business Gallery (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

5,246 views & 0 likes for this thread
Going all full frame, will I miss the crop sensor?
FORUMS Canon Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon EOS Digital Cameras 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is MarkWilliamson
840 guests, 401 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 6430, that happened on Dec 03, 2017

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.