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Please help - I don't trust my own eye anymore

 
Kcussbuc
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Nov 10, 2013 09:41 |  #1

I have been taking youth sports photography shots for years and I am in a rut. Lightroom has left me questioning everything I do these days. Is this sharp enough? Too sharp? White balance "on"? Grass too green? Is this shot natural? Do the jersey colors shine? Should I pull highlights back to get some definition in the sky?

I know this is odd, but could I get some people to give this RAW photo (external link) (link is to my dropbox), that I acknowledge is not spectacular in any regard, but which is representative of the color and conditions of most of the series of shots I took, a whirl in Lightroom and tell me your settings?

For purposes of comparison, here are my settings:
Temp: 4857
Tint: +32
Exposure: +.60
Contrast +10
Shadow +14
Blacks -36
Clarity +10
Vibrance +10
Sharpening 61
Masking 26
Noise Reduction 37
Camera Neutral

I'm not a pro. I do this for fun. So many people here are so talented, I'm hoping for a bit of help. I would really appreciate some help "recalibrating" my brain.




  
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Nov 10, 2013 12:29 |  #2

you shot at high iso 640 with 7D. 7d has too much megapixels packed in cropped sensor. so sometimes noise can be problem.

i don't have lightroom . i use different raw converter "phase one capture one 5 pro"
so it's setting will not corresponds with that of light room. i have set temp 5200 , tint 3.9
increased the exposer to +1.47 and reduced the brightness to -40 and reduced the saturation of grass
then in photoshop did dodge and burning. i set white balance visually.

i have cataract in both of my eyes so sometimes i have problem with judging sharpness and saturation.


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Nov 10, 2013 14:41 |  #3

I think overall the image you provided looks ok. The green grass does have slightly too much saturation, and I felt that the player's dark jerseys were a little too dark.

Here's my take on it.

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7360/10785107254_0d2c8ba594_b.jpg

Good shot, good timing. I like the player coming up from behind ready to snatch the ball.

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Nov 10, 2013 15:11 |  #4

Mike, the grass actually became more saturated in your version.




  
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Nov 10, 2013 15:23 |  #5

RandyMN wrote in post #16440141 (external link)
Mike, the grass actually became more saturated in your version.

Ok, you're right haha. I still like mine though. I hope others do too. I could always de-saturate the greens some.


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Nov 10, 2013 16:36 |  #6

This was a pretty tough image to do in LR, but here's my shot at it:

IMAGE: http://bobanderson.smugmug.com/photos/i-D8KTZCr/1/XL/i-D8KTZCr-XL.jpg

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Nov 10, 2013 16:39 |  #7

Bob, I like that. Did you pump the shadows?




  
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Nov 10, 2013 16:47 |  #8

A lot. In LR I set Highlights to -100 and Shadows to +100.

Other tweaks:

Camera Faithful (Process 2012)
WB = Daylight
Exposure = +1.39
Contrast = +29
Whites = -10
Blacks = -52
Reduced Saturation for Yellow by -12 and Green by -14
Sharpening: Amount = 61, Radius = 1.0, Masking = 5
Luminance NR = 21
Color NR = 21
Graduated Filter starting from bottom with Exposure of -.95


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Nov 10, 2013 16:52 |  #9

I tried to get the R of RGB for the brightest spot on the cheek of the boy with glasses to about 82%.


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Nov 10, 2013 19:57 as a reply to  @ Bob_A's post |  #10

Your photo is a nice action shot.
I toned down the green of the grass, whitened up the whites of the uniforms and ball, and added a bit of noise reduction. I could of added some sharpening to offset the noise reduction.

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Nov 10, 2013 22:16 |  #11

I like how white that jersey is. How did you get that while maintaining the nice purple color and the detail in the white part of the jerseys?




  
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Nov 11, 2013 07:29 as a reply to  @ Kcussbuc's post |  #12

I increased the purple Luminance slider to +33. I have no idea the actual color of the uniforms but this adjustment helped the whites. I adjusted the green Luminance slider to -62 to darken and add some detail to the grass.+64 on the orange lightened the faces of the players. (HSL area of Lightroom)

I like colorful photos in general and always go a little too far with it and then back off some. I left this one a little over the edge color wise just to show.




  
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Nov 11, 2013 08:18 as a reply to  @ rbeene's post |  #13

Look at the shoulder of the red-headed boy. The right shoulder has a bit of color to it with a highlight on his back behind his head. Add in the strip of brown field/grass beyound the green playing field and you have a triangle there that can be overlooked and blown out. I like Bob_A's version the best, his and the OP's retain the three tones in that triangle but Bob_A's brings out the shadow details.

But, I'm the guy that can't get lines straight in his images so what do I know? :D

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Nov 11, 2013 11:58 |  #14

Hi. I just pm'd you my edit.
Hope it helps.
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Nov 11, 2013 20:30 |  #15

Thanks everyone. I definitely appreciate it!




  
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