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LOL Canon 6D is more "retro" than the Nikon Df

 
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Nov 10, 2013 23:02 |  #46

Hogloff wrote in post #16440065 (external link)
I'd dig up the source if I had more time, but you don't sound like someone I really want to spend time discussing mirrorless cameras with since you have your mind made up that they are not real cameras.

But in the last year, worldwide sales of interchangeable lens cameras were mirrorless, a pretty pressure stat given the technology has only been around for a few years.

Google it yourself if you really want to see.

I said nothing about them being "real" or not. Don't put words in my mouth. I am not interested in the tech because no manufacturer has a full range of native lenses available. And even when they do, slapping a two or three pound lens on a eight ounce body just doesn't appeal to me.

I did google it and posted what I found. If you don't want to support your claim that's fine.

Edit: despite what you assume from my previous post, I enjoy knowing what's going on in the mirror less space. I just don't see the momentum needed to create a triving new market.

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Nov 11, 2013 00:30 |  #47

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Canon need to come out a body like Nikon DF. There are many "photographer" impress people with their camera but not their photography.

'Impress'?! If you carry a film camera (or a digital camera that looks like a film camera) most folks on the street have a look of puzzlement while gazing at 'the Luddite carrying the old fashioned film camera', and wonder why the Luddites don't keep up with the modern world.
Probably not unlike the average person looking at an audiophile who has an expensive turntable to play his LP's :lol:


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Nov 11, 2013 04:08 |  #48

Wilt wrote in post #16441347 (external link)
'Impress'?! If you carry a film camera (or a digital camera that looks like a film camera) most folks on the street have a look of puzzlement while gazing at 'the Luddite carrying the old fashioned film camera', and wonder why the Luddites don't keep up with the modern world.
Probably not unlike the average person looking at an audiophile who has an expensive turntable to play his LP's :lol:

All positive comment about the DF is the "look" of it. Any advantage of this design compared to usual DSLR like 6D or D600? I don't see any.


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Nov 11, 2013 07:58 |  #49
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hes gone wrote in post #16441223 (external link)
=he's gone;16441223]I said nothing about them being "real" or not. Don't put words in my mouth. I am not interested in the tech because no manufacturer has a full range of native lenses available. And even when they do, slapping a two or three pound lens on a eight ounce body just doesn't appeal to me.

I did google it and posted what I found. If you don't want to support your claim that's fine.

Edit: despite what you assume from my previous post, I enjoy knowing what's going on in the mirror less space. I just don't see the momentum needed to create a triving new market.

http://www.43rumors.co​m …anasonic-olympus-anlysis/ (external link)

Here you go.

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Nov 11, 2013 17:10 |  #50

tat3406 wrote in post #16441539 (external link)
All positive comment about the DF is the "look" of it. Any advantage of this design compared to usual DSLR like 6D or D600? I don't see any.

As I said earlier, no dSLR other than the Df has the ability to


  1. mount the tens of thousands of Nikon MF lenses in the possession of Nikon users dating back 4-5 decades, who still own those lenses and use them with their film cameras
  2. and to do the above with no mount adapter required
  3. and to do the above, while automatically recognizing the chosen aperture selected on the lens' own aperture control ring when metering
  4. and to take advantage of automatic diaphragm control of classic Ai and non-Ai NIKKOR glass


Typical MF lens on AF bodies require adapters, the lens is manual diaphragm (stopped down to shooting aperture unless you select max aperture first), and the body does not know what the selected aperture is so it cannot record it to EXIF.

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Nov 11, 2013 18:10 |  #51

For those who are complaining about the price of Df, how about dropping $60K for digital medium format? ;)




  
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Nov 11, 2013 21:39 |  #52

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For those who are complaining about the price of Df, how about dropping $60K for digital medium format? ;)

It's not that the Df is expensive per-se, it's that it's expensive for what it is. The Df has competition that offers more (for the average user) for less money. I can see why it would be useful for some users as Wilt pointed out, but if those people are it's only target audience it's going to be a very niche product. Everyone else buying it will be buying it for the looks, or the feeling of being more "connected" to the shooting experience (which imo is silly given that it isn't MF friendly).


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Nov 11, 2013 22:17 |  #53

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Everyone else buying it will be buying it for the looks, or the feeling of being more "connected" to the shooting experience (which imo is silly given that it isn't MF friendly).

Yeah, color me very puzzled at the total lack of even the potential for having a focusing screen with a center focus aid!


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Nov 11, 2013 22:18 |  #54

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Yeah, color me very puzzled at the total lack of even the potential for having a focusing screen with a center focus aid!

I'll admit I was mildly interested in it until I learned that. To me that just makes it a pointless product.


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Nov 12, 2013 06:22 |  #55

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16444068 (external link)
It's not that the Df is expensive per-se, it's that it's expensive for what it is. The Df has competition that offers more (for the average user) for less money. I can see why it would be useful for some users as Wilt pointed out, but if those people are it's only target audience it's going to be a very niche product. Everyone else buying it will be buying it for the looks, or the feeling of being more "connected" to the shooting experience (which imo is silly given that it isn't MF friendly).

I'm not buying it for looks. After using a D4 for quite some time, it has become my all time favorite sensor for low light work. The D3s would follow as well.




  
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Nov 17, 2013 12:25 as a reply to  @ tat3406's post |  #56

For those complaining about the price... wait a few months and I guarantee 100% that the price will drop, especially on the used market, like they always do.


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Nov 17, 2013 15:25 |  #57

Going super retro ,Canon is reintroducing it's line of pinhole cameras.
Need to change aperature? Make the hole bigger or smaller.
Need to change shutter speed? Take off the cap longer or shorter.
Need to change iso? Swap the film.

Amazing zoom system consist of walking closer or further away from subject.
Get that pleasing blur and vignetting that instagram users crave.With every shot!!!

Available in multiple colors. Get the color cardboard that you want.

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Feb 15, 2014 18:30 as a reply to  @ rawshooter's post |  #58

it's not about "retro", it's about the sensor that beats canon 6d & Nikon d610 all together hands down. Nikon DF is expensive - I agree, but not overpriced as many mentioned here. Just my opinion based on comparison 6D & Df today. I don't care about fancy-shmency retro dials. what really matters to me is a excellent sensor, the best in the market and in my opinion it's worth the $ balance betwen ether of D610 or 6D.




  
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Feb 15, 2014 19:24 |  #59

h14nha wrote in post #16440149 (external link)
Whilst that may look nice, I'd rather Canon spent some time leading from the front in terms of bringing out revolutionary products. The 6d isn't as small as the RX1 so it has no edge there. Now the A7r will make the 6D look positively huge as it beats it out for IQ and DR. Wi-Fi has been in tiny smartphones for years

Ha. Those things you mentioned are exactly why I love my 6D. It has a mirror box, which makes it bigger than the Sony's. Which is an advantage, because it focus's very quickly and accurately with the lenses I own, & will actually track a fast moving subject. ANd it's much easier to hang on to. I have no straps of any description on any of my cameras.
The 6D's "backwardness" is its strengths, to me. I couldn't care less what others think. I have not even looked how to turn on the WiFi, or GPS, so is of absolutely no interest or concern. And it was cheap. Bang for buck is outstanding. And simple. I just pick it up, set the aperture, & occasionally the ISO, and shoot. Simplicity at it's best. I don't have to dig around in any menus, as there's a button for everything that I need.
I haven'y handled the DF, but I just see it as an extension of the same ideas/formula. Horses for courses. Use whatever makes you happy. That is all :)




  
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Feb 19, 2014 16:22 |  #60

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Ha. Those things you mentioned are exactly why I love my 6D. It has a mirror box, which makes it bigger than the Sony's. Which is an advantage, because it focus's very quickly and accurately with the lenses I own, & will actually track a fast moving subject. ANd it's much easier to hang on to. I have no straps of any description on any of my cameras.
The 6D's "backwardness" is its strengths, to me. I couldn't care less what others think. I have not even looked how to turn on the WiFi, or GPS, so is of absolutely no interest or concern. And it was cheap. Bang for buck is outstanding. And simple. I just pick it up, set the aperture, & occasionally the ISO, and shoot. Simplicity at it's best. I don't have to dig around in any menus, as there's a button for everything that I need.
I haven'y handled the DF, but I just see it as an extension of the same ideas/formula. Horses for courses. Use whatever makes you happy. That is all :)

Well the A7 is cheaper than the 6D. The A7r is slightly more expensive but still very cheap for what it is. If you use native Sony lens, AF will be able to track moving objects. Have you used the A7/A7r ? ? ? I ask because I was surprised how nice the grip was, and how balanced it felt. I have removed the straps off my cameras too.........


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