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Nov 18, 2013 16:19 |  #31

I washed it through again. Go back and reload the page and you'll see the new version.

I used Photoshop CS6 and then Photoshop CC. I recently downloaded the trial version of Photoshop CC. The cool thing about the CC version is the new Camera RAW Filter within Photoshop. You can do what you can with the RAW file in Camera RAW (ACR), then open the file in PS and do what you can. Then open the new Camera RAW filter and the settings in ACR then will all be back to default, so you can add more NR and play with the settings again. You can keep repeating this (what I call washing it through) until you get what you want. There will be a point, of course, where you will just make a mess if you go too far. But being able to use NR in the Camera RAW Filter more than once really works out nicely.


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Nov 18, 2013 16:23 as a reply to  @ M_Six's post |  #32

If you skip the IS, you'll need to keep a shutter speed of 1/250 to avoid camera shake blur. So that may be defeating the purpose. Shooting at 200mm f2.8 or f4 and 1/50 shutter speed might get you better exposure, but your shots will be very fuzzy. It's a trade-off.


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Nov 18, 2013 16:24 |  #33

M_Six wrote in post #16461765 (external link)
If you skip the IS, you'll need to keep a shutter speed of 1/250 to avoid camera shake blur. So that may be defeating the purpose. Shooting at 200mm f2.8 or f4 and 1/50 shutter speed might get you better exposure, but your shots will be very fuzzy. It's a trade-off.

Well nuts.

Anyone have experience with the Tamron lens' for action?


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Nov 18, 2013 16:37 |  #34

Here is my shot at recovery, maybe needs some layer work to finish it off....


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Nov 18, 2013 16:37 |  #35

The Tamron 70-200 f2.8 with vibration control (Tamron's version of IS) is an excellent lens. But it's around $1400. Good used Canon 70-200 f2.8 IS V.I lenses run about that. You can't go wrong with either. But fast lenses with IS are always pricey. It gets worse when you get to super teles. Look at the price difference between a Canon 400mm f5.6 and the Canon 400mm f2.8 IS. The 400 5.6 is the edge of the cliff. Anything longer or faster than that will cost you a small fortune.


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Nov 18, 2013 16:42 |  #36

seall wrote in post #16461807 (external link)
Here is my shot at recovery, maybe needs some layer work to finish it off....

HOLY BATMAN! THAT'S AMAZING!!! I feel like a horrible n00b after comparing that to my original. :cry:

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The Tamron 70-200 f2.8 with vibration control (Tamron's version of IS) is an excellent lens. But it's around $1400. Good used Canon 70-200 f2.8 IS V.I lenses run about that. You can't go wrong with either. But fast lenses with IS are always pricey. It gets worse when you get to super teles. Look at the price difference between a Canon 400mm f5.6 and the Canon 400mm f2.8 IS. The 400 5.6 is the edge of the cliff. Anything longer or faster than that will cost you a small fortune.

Ya I've seen the price of some of those lens'. It's about 1/3rd my annual salary from my full time job! :( I don't THINK I'll need anything more than 200 (lets hope anyways!). I don't mind pricey if it's going to accomplish what I want (better capture of action, better light capture, sharper image quality) and is a quality product.


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Nov 18, 2013 16:42 |  #37

Or a portrait crop.

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Nov 18, 2013 16:46 |  #38

abhphotography wrote in post #16461822 (external link)
Ya I've seen the price of some of those lens'. It's about 1/3rd my annual salary from my full time job! :( I don't THINK I'll need anything more than 200 (lets hope anyways!). I don't mind pricey if it's going to accomplish what I want (better capture of action, better light capture, sharper image quality) and is a quality product.

The Tamron and the Canon are both quality lenses. I think the Tamron edges out the Canon 70-200 f2.8 IS v.1 by a very slight margin. Plus the Tamron will come with a 6-year warranty whereas a used Canon will have none. Still, either lens is a good choice.

And normally I'm not an advocate of UV filters, but in a paintball environment you definitely need to use one.


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Nov 18, 2013 17:03 |  #39

I massaged alot of settings on your raw, one thing I will point out is don't use ALO, I would turn that off. I have found it to be more detrimental at high ISOs than helpful.

Here is what I get running this through one of my actions, then tweaking contrast/background blur on that final output.

I would also point out that you were really at ISO 25600, not ISO 6400. You were about 2 stops underexposed at ISO 6400, and since ISO 12800/25600 are just digitally pushed ISO levels, bringing up the exposure slider up 2 stops to "expose" the image more really puts you at 25600. If you had set ISO to 25600 and had a more properly exposed shot, it would look very similar to the noise characteristics of the 100% crops already posted.


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Nov 18, 2013 17:39 |  #40

Well, I think you got the gist of it for High ISO... Try to overexpose, no ALO etc. Fluorescents are terrible too for a decent white balance...

Here is my 2 cents...


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Nov 18, 2013 17:54 |  #41

There is also this different workflow I am experimenting with. Seems to work better in desperate situations. I had to leave some noise in, so as not to obliterate detail:


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Nov 18, 2013 18:45 |  #42

abhphotography wrote in post #16461750 (external link)
It really depends on where the player is vs me. Those two photos were about 15-20 ft away from me or so if I had to guess. Most of them I am shooting at full zoom 200mm as I am trying to stay out of the line of fire, yet still be able to get up close. I'd say probably on average im between 100-200mm most of the time.

I was looking at the Tamron lens'. My local store suggested them over the Canon lens. If I went with the Canon 70-200mm lens, I was going to skip the IS part of it anyways.


I'm using the Tamron 70-300 and I am absolutely loving it. the IS is second to none and has been capturing amazingly sharp pictures almost up to par with Canon's 70-200. I firmly believe the cost to performance greatly outdoes Canon and I would suggest you check out the Lens section of the forum and see for yourself.


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Nov 18, 2013 23:51 |  #43

abhphotography wrote in post #16461750 (external link)
I was looking at the Tamron lens'. My local store suggested them over the Canon lens. If I went with the Canon 70-200mm lens, I was going to skip the IS part of it anyways.

The newer Tamron 70-200 VC (VC = tamron's IS) has their updated PZD AF which is pretty good. Their older non-VC model had slow AF not suitable for many sports. I'd again suggest Sigma in this case as their older non-stabilized 70-200's have fast HSM AF motors. .


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Nov 19, 2013 02:04 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #44

Seems like this is the kind of photography which is best served by lenses like the EF 200 mm f/2L IS USM or the EF 300 mm f/2.8L IS II USM. Unfortunately, there are a lot of used cars that are much cheaper...


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Nov 19, 2013 06:57 |  #45

Anders, there is a tremendous amount of gain to be had by ETTR which is free. The OP's photos were underexposed and paid the price 'increasing the ISO in PP'... Not that I would turn down a 300 mm f2.8 :D

I find that the biggest challenge in low light shooting is that it is often fluorescent... I don't think that the existing PP tools handle it very well.

But we are in the beginning... :)


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