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What to upgrade my Rebel XSi to?

 
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Nov 19, 2013 11:55 |  #76

I Love Cats wrote in post #16462245 (external link)
?? bad news ?? That sounds like pretty good news to me! I like getting new toys.

I agree, but the budget really didn't like it!


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Nov 19, 2013 11:58 |  #77

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And if you only have $1,000, I say pick up the following at Amazon:

SL-1
18-55 STM
55-250 STM
16GB Extreme SD card
Camera Bag

Not sure if the promotion is still on, but it was over the weekend for $952 USD.

The thing to keep in mind is that you can get really better deals on lenses by buying with the camera. So, if the OP wants to upgrade anyway, then a kit is the way to go. Otherwise, get the kit and sell the camera.

I will take an SL-1 over a 60D any day. (And I have owned both).

But make sure you try it out first. When we shopped the sl1 just felt too small, it was difficult to 'steady', the 60d was very comfrotable.


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Nov 19, 2013 12:08 |  #78

dansmail26 wrote in post #16463859 (external link)
But make sure you try it out first. When we shopped the sl1 just felt too small, it was difficult to 'steady', the 60d was very comfrotable.

If you are referring to the combination of the 15-85 and the Sl-1, I hear you.

If you are referring to the size of the Sl-1, this must vary from person to person but you are the first one I have heard that says it's too small. The market for ILICs is pretty crowded so someone out there likes small cameras that are not P&S and do have interchangeable lenses.

I have had the Sl-1 since it was released. I use it for non-professional events and almost always with the 18-135 STM lens. For me, with average sized hands, it's a perfect combo. It also produces excellent images.

For more critical uses and professional use, sure I use the 5DIII, the 70-200 f/2.8IS, the 135 f/2 and others but, when lightweight is desired, or I don't want to attract attention, the SL-1 is an obvious choice.

I will take the IQ and handling of the SL-1 over the 50D, 60D (both of which I have owned) any day. And I would certainly take the Sl-1 over the T3i and its predecessors. (Never tried the 4Ti or 5Ti).




  
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Nov 19, 2013 12:19 |  #79

MakisM1 wrote in post #16463567 (external link)
Ok, ok... use the grain of your choice... orzo? :p

orzo is pasta. :D

can we settle on vermicelli?

watt100 wrote in post #16463238 (external link)
or you may think .... WTF is that guy talking about

at this point, i'm wondering WTF I'm talking about?

dansmail26 wrote in post #16463859 (external link)
But make sure you try it out first. When we shopped the sl1 just felt too small, it was difficult to 'steady', the 60d was very comfrotable.

imo, the grip size is a key dimension and since he's coming from the XSi, pretty much everything is going to be bigger.

SL1: 117x91x69 mm
Rebel XSi: 129x98x62 mm
60D: 145x106x79 mm
T4i: 133x99x78 mm
T5i: 133x100x79 mm


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Nov 19, 2013 13:27 |  #80

hes gone wrote in post #16463927 (external link)
=he's gone;16463927]orzo is pasta. :D

bw!

It was a trick question!...:D

Congratulations!


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Nov 19, 2013 14:12 |  #81

I just want to add, I have the XSi as my first camera since 09. I still have it and use it time to time if I want a more compact body on the go. After XSi, my first thought was I need a faster FPS and a bigger body that fits on my hands, in which I got the 40D used for $250, then I also bought the 50 1.4 $200 used to pair it with later. Then I realize I need a either a bigger frame or wider lens. Several months later, I got the 5D classic for $400 used to take advantage on the higher ISO and as entry level on FF, and then later got the 24-105mm L.

I have most of the stuff other people suggest to get on this thread. My point is, ever since I got the FF, this is the camera I use the most now. If you have the budget, then I would go FF at least at 5DMkII take advantage on the higher ISO. Eventually you will be looking for that full frame capability in the future anyway. I believe you can get that for around 1K USD around nowadays.


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Nov 19, 2013 17:26 |  #82

Eastport wrote in post #16463900 (external link)
I will take the IQ and handling of the SL-1 over the 50D, 60D (both of which I have owned) any day. And I would certainly take the Sl-1 over the T3i and its predecessors. (Never tried the 4Ti or 5Ti).

Wow, is SL-1 really that good?




  
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Nov 19, 2013 18:35 |  #83

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Wow, is SL-1 really that good?

The DIGIC 5 processor does a very good job. I was pleasantly surprised by the SL1. It doesn't look like it would be comfortable to hold when using but it is. JPEGS are definitely cleaner than my 60d/T3i.


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Nov 19, 2013 18:43 |  #84

watt100 wrote in post #16463238 (external link)
Obviously the software doesn't go back into the camera and change the sensor's (or film) sensitivity!

Good, so we agree that you aren't actually changing the ISO by upping the exposure in post :)

watt100 wrote in post #16463238 (external link)
Then with Photoshop increase that XSi/450D RAW 'exposure' so it appears brighter. Add in a little selective noise reduction on the XSi pic with the PS filter or with a filter like Neat Image.
Then compare the resulting XSi/450D photo and the same 60D /600D photo.

But I would have to also add the exact same amount of noise reduction to the 60/600D photo, otherwise it is hardly a fair test?


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Nov 19, 2013 19:31 |  #85

Eastport wrote in post #16463900 (external link)
If you are referring to the combination of the 15-85 and the Sl-1, I hear you.

If you are referring to the size of the Sl-1, this must vary from person to person but you are the first one I have heard that says it's too small. The market for ILICs is pretty crowded so someone out there likes small cameras that are not P&S and do have interchangeable lenses.

I have had the Sl-1 since it was released. I use it for non-professional events and almost always with the 18-135 STM lens. For me, with average sized hands, it's a perfect combo. It also produces excellent images.

For more critical uses and professional use, sure I use the 5DIII, the 70-200 f/2.8IS, the 135 f/2 and others but, when lightweight is desired, or I don't want to attract attention, the SL-1 is an obvious choice.

I will take the IQ and handling of the SL-1 over the 50D, 60D (both of which I have owned) any day. And I would certainly take the Sl-1 over the T3i and its predecessors. (Never tried the 4Ti or 5Ti).

I'm sure it's a great camera it just didn't feel 'comfortable' in mine(and my wifes) hands due to it's smaller size. We just felt it would be a little difficult to hold it steady.
Just a personal opinion, obviously some disagree. Thats why I suggested to the OP to tryn it out first.


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Nov 19, 2013 19:50 |  #86

dansmail26 wrote in post #16465068 (external link)
I'm sure it's a great camera it just didn't feel 'comfortable' in mine(and my wifes) hands due to it's smaller size. We just felt it would be a little difficult to hold it steady.
Just a personal opinion, obviously some disagree. Thats why I suggested to the OP to tryn it out first.

Obviously.
I have medium hands and found the SL1 surprisingly "comfortable". The touchscreen was awesome and hard to go back from. Looking at it, I thought it would suck to hold but it worked out great. It is NOT as comfortable to HOLD for long periods as a 60d because of the lack of a deep grip, but putting it up to your eye and shooting is comfortable. You are definitely right, it should be physically held before buying if possible!!


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Nov 19, 2013 19:54 |  #87

To address the OP, I offer this:

Best possible deal on used 60d. What are those like $550ish?

Used 55-250. Hell I sold mine for $125. That will give you a taste of surfing and other reaches.

Get a new sigma 17-50 2.8 so you are covered $580ish?.


I am biased on the sigma 17-50. It is just the sickest normal zoom for aps c and mine at least is tack sharp. Yeah cannon 17-55, but I can't tell them apart aside from sigmas warmer tone and the price difference is crazy.

So there you go, about $1200, new camera with much better ISO, autofocus, higher shutter speed/fps for surfing if needed and bright out and has movie capability if you care amongst a lot of nice touches over the xsi like the wheel and dials etc. and a super cheap kinda tele lens that will help you a lot with reach and a bomb fast constant aperture standard zoom that will be like "holy crap" difference for the lens you use the most.

Mid/low end of your budget, maximum effect on your photography and you can scratch the itch to get out of the XSi body....of which I should note, I could never get rid of mine and my daughter uses it now. Great starter camera!


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Dec 13, 2013 00:23 |  #88

I ended up buying the Canon 17-55 F2.8 and am really happy with my purchase. I still may consider upgrading my body, but glad I upgraded the glass first like people said. My pictures are so much sharper from the kit lens it's night and day! I really like the bokeh I can get with my 2.8, although I find that I can get the sharpest pictures around F3.5-4.


I'm still looking for a telephoto to replace my 55-250 kit lens though.


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Dec 13, 2013 07:27 as a reply to  @ traveljunkie's post |  #89

glad you like your new toy, nice shots!

maybe a bit underexposed though. there is a well excepted theory that with digital photography you are much better off exposing to the right (ETTR) (external link) than going under.

as for your tele, if you really need the length look at the 70-300

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_70_300mm_f_4_5​_6_IS.html (external link)

or if you are finding you like the improved sharpness, and constant, larger aperture of your new wide angle, check out the 70-200 with or without IS. This lens is very sharp:

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …&InitialSearch=​yes&sts=ta (external link)

the non-IS version is considerably cheaper.


or look into a prime lens!!!


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Dec 16, 2013 23:14 |  #90

Based on my own costs and learned experience, I say buy a new 6D body (keep it forever) and a 40 stm lens. Originally I bought a new 650D as my first dslr. I wanted a new camera and planned to keep it forever. Flash forward 15,000 casual shots and I'm buying a 6D. Sold the 650D for half of what I paid, and learned a lot from it. At $1650 new for both the 6D and the 40mm stm, it's well under the $2000 budget.


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