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Nov 20, 2013 13:27 |  #1

Hi everyone...Please help.
I always sinc my camera and second shooters within a second of each other. When I edit and save, all of my images are always in the correct order on my hard drive. BUT, when I go to burn on DVD using Nero burner...they burn with my second shooter's files at the end of my files....soooo frustrating...help please!:oops:




  
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Nov 20, 2013 13:39 |  #2

Its probably just the way the different programs are reading files as they are not physically listed on the disk in a way that you see them. If you are sorting them one way and then then when viewing the disk in another window you may be seeing them sorted by name rather than when the files are created. One option would be to sort and rename the files before you export them.




  
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Nov 20, 2013 13:50 |  #3

filename prefix/number sequence different - probably will be, also modified timestamps may be different depending on how they were copied / moved etc.




  
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Nov 20, 2013 13:59 |  #4

The weird thing is sometimes it works just fine and burns in order.




  
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Nov 20, 2013 14:04 |  #5

Hmm.. Order doesn't matter. THe only thing that matters is the field you choose to sort the files on. It could be date/time, name, suffix, author, date modified, or a slew of other fields.

Make sure you are sorting the the field you intend the list to be sorted on.


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Nov 20, 2013 14:08 |  #6

The files are combined and sorted by capture time. When I save them from Lightroom to my hard drive they are in correct capture time order. It is only when I burn to DVD that sometimes they will put my second shooter's files at the end of mine...I am baffled.




  
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Nov 20, 2013 14:14 |  #7

joellelee wrote in post #16467086 (external link)
The files are combined and sorted by capture time. When I save them from Lightroom to my hard drive they are in correct capture time order. It is only when I burn to DVD that sometimes they will put my second shooter's files at the end of mine...I am baffled.

Keep in mind that when you say you see them on your hard drive all you are doing is seeing them sorted in the fashion that the file manager has selected, if you click on a different sort, they will appear in a different order.




  
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Nov 20, 2013 14:42 |  #8

gonzogolf wrote in post #16467091 (external link)
Keep in mind that when you say you see them on your hard drive all you are doing is seeing them sorted in the fashion that the file manager has selected, if you click on a different sort, they will appear in a different order.

Exactly, odds are that you have different sort options such as by time on one and by author on the other.


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Nov 20, 2013 23:16 |  #9

One thing that in the past goofed me up was in how a sequence was numbered. Our file systems and software can "mix up" two-integer numbers so that the number "10" can be listed before the number "2".

You can remedy this in your file-naming by giving a three-digit sequence/numbering template, so that you get "001, 002"..."100, 101", etc...Or, of course you could use four digits for larger shoots!


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Nov 21, 2013 03:45 |  #10

Tony the real issue is that file names are stored as text. As such the charachtres are parsed one by one when sorting by filename. So as you say if you want fully correct numerical sequences ordered correctly you HAVE to use leading zeros. This ensures that there are the same number of chrs to parse in each filename. Another point is if you want file/folder names to contain dates then you need to use the yyyy.mm.dd format to get them to appeare in the correct date order. Not too bad for our North American (as in continent not country) cousins but completly back to front for us Brits :).

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Nov 21, 2013 13:17 |  #11

Alan, it's different for Brits? I didn't know that!


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Nov 21, 2013 13:54 |  #12

tonylong wrote:
Our file systems and software can "mix up" two-integer numbers so that the number "10" can be listed before the number "2".

BigAl007 wrote in post #16468676 (external link)
Tony the real issue is that file names are stored as text. As such the charachtres are parsed one by one when sorting by filename. So as you say if you want fully correct numerical sequences ordered correctly you HAVE to use leading zeros.

Oddly enough, when I transfer files from my desktop PC to my wife's Android tablet, and then view the photos using its picture viewer, the photos all come out in some re-sorted sequence although the names are identical to the original (e.g. IMG_8283 and IMG_8363).
In the case of one recent wedding of friends' daughter, the reception pictures (IMG_8353...IMG8355) come up first, then come the church wedding (IMG_8283...IMG_8285) pictures...effectively the filenames are ignored yet not ignored! :confused:


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Nov 21, 2013 18:54 |  #13

When I import photos using LR5, I have it set up to rename all files as they are imported, to (time)_(date)_(origina​l file name). So photos I took today, November 21, at 5:30pm, would be named 173000_11202013_IMG374​6234. This way my file names are all in order, regardless of which camera they come from.

It's easy in Lightroom or other photo viewers to sort by the date & time in the EXIF info, but most other programs will organize by file name.




  
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Nov 22, 2013 08:59 |  #14

tonylong wrote in post #16469710 (external link)
Alan, it's different for Brits? I didn't know that!

Tony our NORMAL date format here in the UK is DD/MM/YYYY. The USA and I believe that Canada is the same use MM/DD/YYYY for the date format. This is not too bad for dates above the 12th of any month, as there is not really any chance of confusing the sequence, after all there are still only 12 months in any year. This can be difficult of other dates though. For example we Brits would normally read 9/11 as the 9th November not the 11th September.

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