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My 70-200 2.8 II @ 70mm is sharper than my 24-70 II? Huh?

 
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Nov 19, 2013 04:16 |  #16

The 70-200mk2 is just that awesome ...one of my favorite lens..


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Nov 20, 2013 00:19 |  #17

Xyclopx wrote in post #16460008 (external link)
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Okay, I know better than to ask this as pixel-peeping lenses always causes me far more trouble in the end, but now that I did I just gotta ask for your experience...

I just tested both lenses @ 70mm, pointed to a far off tree. Both @ 2.8. It appears to me both are stupid sharp, but the 70-200 is clearly a tiny tad sharper (I can see little tiny buds next to the leaves! more clearly).

As for the 24-70, I'm pretty sure I got a decent copy. I had 2 lenses at the same time (due to BH and Adorama running specials a little out of sync.) I tested both with test charts and I took the one that was very slightly sharper in the corners, though overall they were almost indistinguishable.

Lensrentals says that the 24-70 should be a little bit sharper:

http://www.lensrentals​.com …-f2-8-ii-resolution-tests (external link)

Generally I trust their tests.

So, what gives? Do you guys have the same experience?

EDIT: So I did some more googling and found:

http://www.lensrentals​.com …non-24-70-mk-ii-variation (external link)

According to this posting, Roger states that "If you pick one of our 24-70s and one of our 70-200s at random, there’s almost a 40% chance the 70-200 will have the same, or better, resolution."

Sigh... I really shouldn't have pixel-peeped. Never learn my lesson. Well, I suppose that since I tested 2 copies of the 24-70 and found them nearly identical, I would say that my copy is probably somewhere around average. Maybe I just got a super good copy of the 70-200!

I own both of these too but opposite of you, the 24-70 Mk-II is sharper. Both are great copies but definitely can see a difference.


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Nov 20, 2013 05:18 |  #18

The Digital pictures tests do show that the 70-200mm IS II is a bit sharper.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=0 (external link)

ROGERWILCO357 wrote in post #16463026 (external link)
The 70-200mk2 is just that awesome ...one of my favorite lens..

I assure you the 24-70mm II is just as much an awesome lens, like the 70-200mm IS II its perform is on par with primes in it's range. It out performs the 35mm Sigma Art and 50L 1.2, and matches the 24mm L.
I'd have to call it my favourite lens, I get much more use out of it's focal range than I do the 70-200mm.


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Nov 20, 2013 08:01 |  #19

Having owned 2 copies of the EF 24-70 MkII, I can attest that there is copy variation. I think more so than the EF 70-200 MkII, if I judge from the comments I've read when I was trying to decide what to do with my first copy of the EF 24-70 MkII. In the end, I returned it as unsatisfactory (an understatement) and the second copy is spot on!

As somebody pointed out, they are both stupid sharp!


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Nov 20, 2013 11:26 |  #20

I had to send back my first 24-70 II due to decentered element (right side always soft at 24mm). Center sharpness was really good, though.

My second copy was near identical for sharpness in center, but did not have the decentering issues. Really sharp lens, end to end. Love it.

The 70-200 II in my experience has much more copy variation, but I also have used/owned 4-5 of them. Some of them were sharper at one end versus the other, or both ends equally as sharp but overall, not near the level of the ones that had a sharper end. If that makes sense. They all were really good, but the variation was very easy to see.


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Nov 20, 2013 11:41 |  #21

I own both and my 70-200 is slightly sharper @70mm but honestly, it would take some serious pixel peeping to see a difference.


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Nov 20, 2013 11:44 |  #22

Stone 13 wrote in post #16466713 (external link)
I own both and my 70-200 is slightly sharper @70mm but honestly, it would take some serious pixel peeping to see a difference.

Yeah that describes mine as well.


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Nov 20, 2013 22:35 |  #23

david lacey wrote in post #16460686 (external link)
I cant really see a problem if any lens is as sharp as my 70-200 mk2 then it is a great lens for sharpness. Lets be honest we fiddle around with this crap waaaaayyyyyy to much and should be taking more pictures.

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Nov 21, 2013 00:25 |  #24

both lens are the bread and butter of all pros..I use the 70-200 II and never fails to capture images in challenging conditions...in good light any lens does... :) If you are not getting good images...practice...pr​actice...AND practice! :)


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Nov 21, 2013 07:48 |  #25

Both lenses are remarkable (the understatement of the year... :D) They have different character...

The EF 24-70 MkII takes a photo and feels like... 'ok you wanted it sharp and plain... no fuss... what's next?...'

The EF 70-200 MkII is more like "Don't worry son... come with me and I'll show you how it's done..." and invariably takes my breath away!...


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Nov 21, 2013 08:50 |  #26

MakisM1 wrote in post #16468979 (external link)
Both lenses are remarkable (the understatement of the year... :D) They have different character...

The EF 24-70 MkII takes a photo and feels like... 'ok you wanted it sharp and plain... no fuss... what's next?...'

The EF 70-200 MkII is more like "Don't worry son... come with me and I'll show you how it's done..." and invariably takes my breath away!...

I kind of agree with this. When I first started shooting with the 24-70II, I felt that the images were very sharp but they didn't have the "pop" of my 70-200, I've since come to appreciate how neutral it is.

Don't get me wrong, the 24-70 II has excellent color and contrast, but in my opinion, it's far more neutral than the 70-200 II. It takes a great shot but doesn't get in the way....


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Nov 21, 2013 09:47 |  #27

Stone 13 wrote in post #16469086 (external link)
I kind of agree with this. When I first started shooting with the 24-70II, I felt that the images were very sharp but they didn't have the "pop" of my 70-200, I've since come to appreciate how neutral it is.

Don't get me wrong, the 24-70 II has excellent color and contrast, but in my opinion, it's far more neutral than the 70-200 II. It takes a great shot but doesn't get in the way....

You said it much better than I ever could! My sentiments exactly!

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Nov 21, 2013 12:36 |  #28

I'm pretty sure most lenses aren't at their best at maximum aperture. Test them two stops down, for a more complete picture of each lens's sharpness.




  
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