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Best UWA prime for FF (next to the ultra expensive 14 2.8) ?

 
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Nov 21, 2013 05:51 |  #1

May also be a third party brand, now I have the excellent Tokina 16-28, it's a bit heavy and has flare but for the rest corner to corner sharpness and top IQ (compared to 17-40 & 16-35's).

But I don't think there exists a 16-17mm prime with good IQ for fullframe allready, correct ?


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Nov 21, 2013 06:02 |  #2

Interesting topic. Same setup as you have: 5d2 + 35L and looking for WA.




  
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Nov 21, 2013 06:29 |  #3

Me also have similar setup on 5d2 with 35L


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Nov 21, 2013 07:09 as a reply to  @ Asroma's post |  #4

for what purpose?

the zeiss 21mm is regarded as the best landscape lens by many in these parts.


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Nov 21, 2013 07:25 |  #5

CanonYouCan wrote in post #16468793 (external link)
May also be a third party brand, now I have the excellent Tokina 16-28, it's a bit heavy and has flare but for the rest corner to corner sharpness and top IQ (compared to 17-40 & 16-35's).

But I don't think there exists a 16-17mm prime with good IQ for fullframe allready, correct ?

If you want the best UWA, Zeiss 15/2.8 is the answer ;)

If it must be cheaper alternative, the Samyang 14/2.8 is your choise. Very sharp. Very cheap. Third party. Definitely lighter than Tokina 16-28mm :)

However are you sure you need additional UWA lens? You only gain 2mm more and neither lens accepts (Samyang or Tokina) any filters so no advantage there. Seems to me you could invest the money somewhere else.

And whoever suggested Zeiss 21mm, as much I love that lens, it's not an ultra wide lens...


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Nov 21, 2013 07:38 |  #6

I suppose if the 14L II is too expensive, the the excellent TS-E 17mm is too. With the shift functionality, you can easily create shifted panos that create a wider-than-14mm FOV.

I would love a Zeiss 15mm, but it's not much sharper (if at all) than the TS-E and is more expensive.

The Samyang 14mm is the best value of any UWA lens. Remarkably affordable and impressively sharp, the Samyang's main drawback is distortion that can be easily corrected with a lens profile in post.


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Nov 21, 2013 15:45 |  #7

For urbex and partyphotography so AF needed as time is limited between locations in team on a trip or to shoot partypeople fast.

So only flare (bulb design and fixed metal lenshood doesn't help) and weight are negative, dont use filters and IQ is perfect. A lot sharper than 17-40 and 16-35 I and II.

I'm used tot the fact that there is always a competitive lighter better or faster prime, but uwa seems tot be the exception. A 24 1.4 is possible but no 16 or 17 1.4

Maybe Sigma 15 2.8 defished... Would be better than the Canon 15 2.8 FE. In fact I just sold the out of production canon 15 2.8 FE as it had some light scratches. Defished IQ and sharpness were also unbeatable (sharper than 14 2.8L)

So Sigma 15 2.8 is the only light sharp solution defished
Don't know the flare performance, probably a bulb design accepting no filters also, but that's ok for me.

As long as it's uwa, light fast and affordable 1 click defishes.


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Nov 21, 2013 17:02 |  #8

[QUOTE=Tmuussoni;16468​936]If you want the best UWA, Zeiss 15/2.8 is the answer ;)

If it must be cheaper alternative, the Samyang 14/2.8 is your choise. Very sharp. Very cheap. Third party. Definitely lighter than Tokina 16-28mm :)

However are you sure you need additional UWA lens? You only gain 2mm more and neither lens accepts (Samyang or Tokina) any filters so no advantage there. Seems to me you could invest the money somewhere else.

And whoever suggested Zeiss 21mm, as much I love that lens, it's not an ultra wide lens...[/quote]

I beg to differ. 21mm is certainly UW.


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Nov 21, 2013 17:23 |  #9

Just get the 14L ;)


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Nov 22, 2013 05:48 |  #10

I need the AF, so no Samyang, time that they start developping also lenses with AF.
Probably the Sigma fisheye, I like compact primes with sharp IQ.

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Tmuussoni wrote in post #16468936 (external link)
If you want the best UWA, Zeiss 15/2.8 is the answer ;)

If it must be cheaper alternative, the Samyang 14/2.8 is your choise. Very sharp. Very cheap. Third party. Definitely lighter than Tokina 16-28mm :)

However are you sure you need additional UWA lens? You only gain 2mm more and neither lens accepts (Samyang or Tokina) any filters so no advantage there. Seems to me you could invest the money somewhere else.

And whoever suggested Zeiss 21mm, as much I love that lens, it's not an ultra wide lens...[/quote]

I beg to differ. 21mm is certainly UW.


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Nov 22, 2013 05:57 |  #11

Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 covers FF quite well at 16mm. Corners were better (sharper, less vignetting) on mine than the 17-40L at 17mm.


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Nov 22, 2013 06:01 as a reply to  @ n1as's post |  #12

Sigma 12-24 is OK but its an outside lens. your limited to F/5.6 i believe. But man its wide of full frame


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Nov 22, 2013 07:59 |  #13

ed rader wrote in post #16470286 (external link)
I beg to differ. 21mm is certainly UW.

While you are technically correct that traditionally on a 35mm format sensor less than 24mm lens is considered ultra wide, but I am going out on a limb and guess that the OP is talking about something much wider here: closer to 14-17mm as suggested in the opening post. As you know comparing FoV of 21mm and 14-17mm is quite massive difference...

CanonYouCan wrote in post #16471402 (external link)
I need the AF, so no Samyang, time that they start developping also lenses with AF.
Probably the Sigma fisheye, I like compact primes with sharp IQ.


Edit: Almost did not see your response here, silly me.

Anyway, I can't stop but to wonder how unwilling or lazy people seem to have become these days. It's seen as a serious disadvantage that you have to manual focus a ultra wide angle lens, while I see it exactly the other way: I would never trust autofocus system to achieve that critical focus on landscapes, or if the focus ring has actually been designed for a long focus throw it's much more pleasurable to use (e.g. Zeiss and Samyang focus rings are excelent imo). And autofocus lenses tend not to have a hard stop at infinity, a feature which I never liked, and manual focus lenses usually do have (Sure there exceptions here, I know...). In addition UWA lenses are so easy lenses to focus anyway, basically at 14mm f/8 focus to 3 meters and everything will be in focus to infinity (well, almost).

Good luck in your decision :)


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Nov 22, 2013 08:01 |  #14

n1as wrote in post #16471412 (external link)
Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 covers FF quite well at 16mm. Corners were better (sharper, less vignetting) on mine than the 17-40L at 17mm.

Yep. Tokina 11-16's 14-16 range is good on FF. I use it on my film body.


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Nov 24, 2013 17:00 as a reply to  @ archer1960's post |  #15

I have the best UWA zoom allready, i'm asking about the best uwa PRIME :D
Probaly nothing next to the ultra expensive 14L


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